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    A little lug porn

    We argue all the time about the ultimate frame material. Truth is there are great bikes made from all sorts of materials. But putting all that aside for a moment, who can look at the lug work of a true artist/craftsman and not see the beauty?
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    It is a work of art, but at $350 a piece, that's pretty high, but I would still like to have a lugged bike someday. Not to ride that much, just to have, like a collector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    It is a work of art, but at $350 a piece, that's pretty high, but I would still like to have a lugged bike someday. Not to ride that much, just to have, like a collector.
    I tell ya, Gerogie, there's nothing like being 85 miles into a century, and looking down at a lugged bottom bracket cluster to stoke the fires of inspiration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    It is a work of art, but at $350 a piece, that's pretty high, but I would still like to have a lugged bike someday. Not to ride that much, just to have, like a collector.
    I'm not sure what you are referring to with the price. What I wanted you to see was the gallery of all the different builders' frames. A lot more than $350 for any of them.

    As for having a lugged bike and not riding it, well that would be a sin. I hope you never do that.
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    Great links. Check out the elegantly straight forward work of Tom Kellogg. He is (one of) the original designers of Merlin titanium frames. My bike even has his name on the left chain stay.

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    My word that's nice Lugged steel forever
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    Lugged steel is a work of minimalist art. My Mondonico has the tiny AM logo imbedded in seat tube lug. Hardly visible. Fancier lugs, while true works of craftsmanship, don't do it for me. Understated elegance does not need to shout out. Those who appreciate it will know it is there. As will the builder.

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    Some of those are truly hideous. case in point:

    http://www.bikelugs.com/gallery/sado...bster08_fs.jpg

    <slinks back out of the 50+ forum with the rest of the youngins'>

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcl8a View Post
    Some of those are truly hideous. case in point:

    http://www.bikelugs.com/gallery/sado...bster08_fs.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
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    Luscious, high calorie lugs.

    I feel like I just gained 5 pounds...I gotta quit looking at that kinda stuff.

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    Certain lugs can be used for positive marque identification:
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    I like Victorian houses, fancy inlays on guitars, and fancy lug work. My heart's a 'flutter! Tks. BluesDawg. You've brought a bright spot to a dreary afternoon at work.
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    I never saw a lugged frame I didn't like.
    My vintage Trek lugged frames ride great, steel is real!
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    I've ridden steel but I am afraid that I trust a good Mig welder to join the pipes together. Can remember back to the period when Raleigh were using straight gauge pipes- And using big thick lugs for the critical angles and joining of pipes. The stuff holding the pipes to the lugs was Glue and I went off any form of lug works after that.

    Now give me a Mig weld done by an expert and I will be in raptures just looking at it. Every time I look at Lugs- all I can think of is Araldite (Epoxy Resin) holding the bike together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcl8a View Post
    Some of those are truly hideous. case in point:

    http://www.bikelugs.com/gallery/sado...bster08_fs.jpg

    <slinks back out of the 50+ forum with the rest of the youngins'>
    So I guess you'd think the lugs on Miss Gulch (my Rivendell Glorius commuting bike) are a bit much, huh?

    glorius lugs.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by stapfam View Post
    I've ridden steel but I am afraid that I trust a good Mig welder to join the pipes together. Can remember back to the period when Raleigh were using straight gauge pipes- And using big thick lugs for the critical angles and joining of pipes. The stuff holding the pipes to the lugs was Glue and I went off any form of lug works after that.

    Now give me a Mig weld done by an expert and I will be in raptures just looking at it. Every time I look at Lugs- all I can think of is Araldite (Epoxy Resin) holding the bike together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divingbiker View Post
    So I guess you'd think the lugs on Miss Gulch (my Rivendell Glorius commuting bike) are a bit much, huh?

    Oooooo that's nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
    We argue all the time about the ultimate frame material. Truth is there are great bikes made from all sorts of materials. But putting all that aside for a moment, who can look at the lug work of a true artist/craftsman and not see the beauty?
    OMG! I think that my bike is on that site! - I have a custom Peter Mooney frame, look at the photos of the Peter Mooney work on the site, and then compare them to http://www.peter-mooney.com/gall5.htm . My bike is the red and black frame. Those pics were taken before the bike was built up, it now has 3000 miles on it and is still as sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stapfam View Post
    I've ridden steel but I am afraid that I trust a good Mig welder to join the pipes together. Can remember back to the period when Raleigh were using straight gauge pipes- And using big thick lugs for the critical angles and joining of pipes. The stuff holding the pipes to the lugs was Glue and I went off any form of lug works after that.

    Now give me a Mig weld done by an expert and I will be in raptures just looking at it. Every time I look at Lugs- all I can think of is Araldite (Epoxy Resin) holding the bike together.
    I worry about all those people out there who ride bikes made out of glue and that black dishcloth stuff .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by stapfam View Post
    I've ridden steel but I am afraid that I trust a good Mig welder to join the pipes together. Can remember back to the period when Raleigh were using straight gauge pipes- ... The stuff holding the pipes to the lugs was Glue and I went off any form of lug works after that.

    Now give me a Mig weld done by an expert and I will be in raptures just looking at it. Every time I look at Lugs- all I can think of is Araldite (Epoxy Resin) holding the bike together.
    This is the first time I have heard of a steel frame being glued together. All of my lugged steel frames are brazed, generally with silver solder. I have broken a frame tube, a stay, and a bottom bracket shell, but I have never had a brazed joint separate on any frame I have ever ridden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by divingbiker View Post
    So I guess you'd think the lugs on Miss Gulch (my Rivendell Glorius commuting bike) are a bit much, huh? ...
    Nice color scheme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauerwald View Post
    OMG! I think that my bike is on that site! - I have a custom Peter Mooney frame, look at the photos of the Peter Mooney work on the site, and then compare them to http://www.peter-mooney.com/gall5.htm . My bike is the red and black frame. Those pics were taken before the bike was built up, it now has 3000 miles on it and is still as sweet.
    It sure looks like the same bike or at least one using the same lugs. I sure would like to see pictures of the built up bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stapfam View Post
    I've ridden steel but I am afraid that I trust a good Mig welder to join the pipes together. Can remember back to the period when Raleigh were using straight gauge pipes- And using big thick lugs for the critical angles and joining of pipes. The stuff holding the pipes to the lugs was Glue and I went off any form of lug works after that.
    Now give me a Mig weld done by an expert and I will be in raptures just looking at it. Every time I look at Lugs- all I can think of is Araldite (Epoxy Resin) holding the bike together.
    Are you talking about the Raleigh Technium frames with a mix of aluminum and steel tubes bonded together with steel lugs? What does that have to do with the silver brazing, cast lugs and quality steel used by the craftsmen in these photos.

    Best I can tell, those were good bikes, not prone to failure. Trek made an awful lot of bonded aluminum bikes too. Not works of art, but good bikes.

    I happen to work at a place where aluminum, titanium and composite structures are bonded using epoxy and other types of adhesives. When these structures are bonded together, they don't come apart. Which is good, since they are control surfaces and other major structures for commercial and military airplanes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
    I sure would like to see pictures of the built up bike.
    Check out http://sourwalled.com/html/mooney.html
    Some shots of the bike, and details of the component set, although most of the photos are close-ups, I am a sucker for Lug Porn :-o

    I believe that Peter cut the lugs by hand to that shape, and I know of one other bike that he did using the fleur-de-lys style of lug, but it is very different from mine....

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