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    The Tires DO make a difference!!!!

    The Tires DO make a difference!!!!

    I went swimming for an hour this am, then a 3 hour ride.

    I just changed my Specialized Armadillos out for new Conti 4000's (120 psi).

    Whew-woo!

    YES!

    I hope they don't get flatted from the goatheads, but in the interim they sure are fun!

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    I know you have problem with the goatheads- but I always felt sorry for you riding the Armadillos. I use the Michelin PR2's and after a cheap Kenda tyre they are fantastic.

    So Ride the Rockies is on again if you can get a bit more training in then? Those new tyres will make you fly up the hills.
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    Continental is a consistently good tire for a broad range of conditions. I have successfully used 400's and Gator-skin. They last a long time, pretty good with flats and do not slow you down too much.

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    Don't know Armadillos but GatorSkins are not my favorite for ride quality & road feel.
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    Whoaa!! I can't imagine riding in the Rockies on Armadillos! They would be heavy and slow going uphill, and positively scary going downhill.

    I've found that riding further from the edge of the road helps prevent goathead flats - the wind tends to blow them onto the edges of the roadways. And stay off of MUP's for the same reason.
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    Time to resolve this issue once and for all.

    1. Do tires make that much difference?

    2. Is PSI that big a deal?

    3. Do they work better if tyres are of colour?

    I'd like to know.

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    Time to resolve this issue once and for all.

    1. Do tires make that much difference?

    Yes

    2. Is PSI that big a deal?

    Yes

    3. Do they work better if tyres are of colour?

    Course they Do


    I'd like to know
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    Make sure you carry a tire boot. The 4000's tend to slice easily. To do ride nice tho.
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    Didn't Will Dehne just ride the FaAST on Conti GP4000's? I think his Bontrager Hard Case tires didn't hold up as well as he'd hoped, as I recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Weak Link View Post
    Time to resolve this issue once and for all.

    1. Do tires make that much difference?

    2. Is PSI that big a deal?

    3. Do they work better if tyres are of colour?

    I'd like to know.
    They only work better if tyres are spelled tires.

    Otherwise, they are absolutely no good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
    Don't know Armadillos but GatorSkins are not my favorite for ride quality & road feel.
    If you don't like the ride quality and road feel of Gatorskins, you'd absolutely HATE Armadillos.

    If it wasn't for their puncture resistance, nobody would ride Armadillos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSP View Post
    Whoaa!! I can't imagine riding in the Rockies on Armadillos! They would be heavy and slow going uphill, and positively scary going downhill.

    I've found that riding further from the edge of the road helps prevent goathead flats - the wind tends to blow them onto the edges of the roadways. And stay off of MUP's for the same reason.
    Well, I have been ?successfully? riding the Colorado Rockies on Armadillos for many years, as have others I know - including going downhill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DnvrFox View Post
    Well, I have been ?successfully? riding the Colorado Rockies on Armadillos for many years, as have others I know - including going downhill.

    Still alive. (I think)
    I'm sure you, and many others have ridden them without incident. But, they're far, far from being a "performance" tire, and have some distinct disadvantages for mountain riding...including weight, and lack of "stickiness".

    Compared to high-end tires (e.g., Michelin Pro Race 2's or 3's), riding Armadillos uphill would be a drag (literallly), and riding them downhill would be scary because I just wouldn't trust them to hook up.

    It's the same reason why guys who race cars and motorcycles don't show up at the start line with "50,000 mile" tires.

    When the speedo gets north of 45 mph or so, and there's some tight switchbacks coming up, I want a tire I can trust - and the Armadillo is not that tire (at least, not for my...YMMV).
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    I (or no one that I know of) have never claimed that the Armamdillos were a "Performance Tire" - far from that, I was aware of a significant compromise between the time it took to fix goathead flats and the time gained with a more Performance tire.

    Personally, I don't ride on the road any more than I have to. I have done my own research and determined (for me) that

    1. More minor accidents occur on MUPS, BUT

    2. Folks get killed and critically injured when bicycles mix with cars.

    So, I will just have to carry a couple of extra tubes and a patch kit.

    Especially since our MUPS around here are SO nice, and have so few folks on them. I did 30 miles today and hardly saw anyone.

    YMMV

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    [QUOTE=DnvrFox;6832598]The Tires DO make a difference!!!!


    I just changed my Specialized Armadillos out for new Conti 4000's (120 psi).

    I am running Specialized armadillos 700x28c and have no issue with them, what was the problem you had, or did you have a different size, type?
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    [QUOTE=Timtruro;6836362]
    Quote Originally Posted by DnvrFox View Post
    The Tires DO make a difference!!!!


    I just changed my Specialized Armadillos out for new Conti 4000's (120 psi).

    I am running Specialized armadillos 700x28c and have no issue with them, what was the problem you had, or did you have a different size, type?
    Read the comments by others in this thread.

    They are SLOW, almost impossible to mount, but mostly SLOW.

    When I first went to the Armadillos, I immediately noticed the difference. I changed from Conti 2000 Ultra's, which were a fast tire.

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    I ride the Gator Skins, 85-100 psi and have had good luck with them. 15-23 mph for a disabled 50 year old isn't bad. Only dislike, hard to take off/on rims. Hardly ever a flat also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DnvrFox View Post
    2. Folks get killed and critically injured when bicycles mix with cars.
    Extremely rare, about as dangerous as being a pedestrian.

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    If we're talking about a road bike on road tires, I don't think anybody who has actually ridden both good quality tires (even just good quality training tires) and more puncture-resistant tires (like with kevlar or thicker/tougher casing of some kind) would say there's no difference. There is. But it depends what you're doing with the bike. Certainly, I prefer nice racing tires for the speed and ride, but on the other hand, when I go on my daily ride on a combination of scenic bikepaths, city streets, parks, etc., I prefer to just ride and not have to pay too much attention to my tires. I went to cheaper, more resistant tires after cutting a couple of higher-end training tires. I can't afford to keep buying new ones, so cheaper, tougher and a bit slower it is.

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    So, the question is who makes a good fast but, flat resistent tire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadburn View Post
    So, the question is who makes a good fast but, flat resistent tire?
    Good, fast, flat-resistant.

    Is this one of those choose any two type questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DnvrFox View Post
    They only work better if tyres are spelled tires.

    Otherwise, they are absolutely no good.
    I'm pretty sure the Brits get away with using tyres because they mount them on ryms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadburn View Post
    So, the question is who makes a good fast but, flat resistent tire?
    In my opinion...there is no such thing.

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    I have always used Gatorskins at 120-120 psi. Great mileage. I averaged about 10 flats a year in 6000 miles. Maybe I would have 20 on other tires. Just changed to Conti GP4000 s's. Too early to tell, but they seem nice, too. No flats in about 800 miles.
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    Well, DUH!

    Just kidding!@
    Like you, Denver, I was convinced to go to Armadillos by some of friends who said it didn't make any difference in speed. I switched to 4000's long before the 'dillos were worn out. Night and Day difference.

    I'd never go back!

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