As far as I'm concerned, 8 speed was great and 9 became a necessary evil with the shortage of good 8 speed equipment. This coming from a non retro bike builder. I prefer to build with new modern equipment but.........................
In the movie Spinal Tap, the Amp could be turned up to 11 when all other amps only had 10 volume levels. You just never know when you need one more.
I hope never.
This means that Campy is still being innovative and creative, which in turn makes the 10 speed soon to be passe' (= cheaper like 9 speeds are now). Keeps the competition on their toes.
Can't wait for 12 speeds......
“Why not?” says Francesco Zenere, Campagnolo’s press manager. “There is constant demand from customers for cassettes, which have an extra sprocket within the usual range or those that would increase the metrical range. Cyclists are never truly happy whether they are professionals or amateurs. Campagnolo therefore decided to use the redesign of the Super Record, Record and Chorus groups as an opportunity to offer them something extra. The 11th speed is in fact the icing, while the cake is the remarkable makeover of the three groupsets dedicated to competition use.”
There is your answer...we need the something extra.:D
What we want...and what we need
has been confused...been confused
R.E.M. "Finest Worksong"
Prepare to bend over and spread your dropouts.
And narrower chains and cogs to wear out sooner had NOTHING to do with the decision. :D
"Kids...be first on your block to have an eleven speed rear cluster. Be the envy of your neighborhood".
It will never end as long as Marketing is in control and people keep throwing money at them.
Once they discover that 8speed cassettes can be built much lighter using todays technology than 10 or 11 speed sets, the marketing folks will have no trouble steering us to the "new, lighter, better 8speed group"
As an aside, One of the hardcore MTB magazines had a build it article a couple of years ago about the ultimate dream "real world" high performance all mountain bike. The drive train was scoured from far and wide and was............................................XTR 8speed. Great performance, light and bulletproof.
They are doing 11 speeds because they can, why not? For me, they had me at ultra6, I had one more than anyone else around. I have the QS Campy Record on my bike and will take a look at the new stuff when it comes out. I could change.
It will stop when chains are made of gossamer and anyone with legs stronger than a nine year old kid's will snap teeth and chain when climbing a hill. :-(
I'm tired of this. My friends say that the 10 speed components are simply no good for tandems; they eat chains the way most people eat M&M's, because the chain is so flimsy.
It will end when everyone discovers FG/SS isn't a fad.
2008 Schwinn Madison FG
2008 Gary Fisher Rig SS
2007 Redline Monocog
1999 Tour Easy
I have a 10-speed cassette ... and that is ridiculous. I like 8-speeds better. I have to shift too often with the 10.
[QUOTE=Louis;6946112 It will never end as long as Marketing is in control and people keep throwing money at them.[/QUOTE]
Hey, let's not disparage all marketing people with the broad brush.
By the way I have read in the past that Shimano developed a 14 speed rear cluster. There was never any mention of a release date. May have just been a skunkworks - perhaps literally.
Originally Posted by Suzie Green http://www.bikeforums.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif I cut my pizza into 6 slices because I can't eat 8.
That cuts down on calories, too:rolleyes:
Finally, a diet I can live with! It probably won't add to my HDL either!
Wow, I feel fortunate! :thumb:
If they can make it light enough, and more affordable, the Nuvinci hub would be the way I'd go:
I find that a properly designed 2 chainring / 6 cog transmission can just barely get me adequate range with a reasonably tight 6-7% progression (and a gap at the very top and the very bottom). Thus, I can see a strong argument for either a triple chainring or a 7- or 8-speed cogset, but I doubt I could ever use more than that productively. Part of the fashion these days is to provide overlapping gear ranges, to minimize the number of front derailleur shifts, in stark contrast to my half-step and 1.5-step arrangements and their frequent double shifts.
As for chain longevity, what is killing today's cogs and chainrings is not only their skinny teeth but also the reduced number of teeth. With a compact chainring set, one puts more force on a smaller number of cog teeth. I concur that a 2x8 or 3x8 setup is probably a good balance between versatility and longevity.
I thought 8 was enough, but I have 9 speed triple on 1 bike and 10 speed triple on another. That 10 speed group sure is nice, although the same technology with 8 back there would be almost as nice.
I like 8 speeds because the cog spacing is wide enough to work well with friction shifters. The chains are cheap and strong too.
BTW, thanks to whichever mod fixed my misspelled title. :beer:
will you be able to rebuild campy 10 to 11, and if sram will goto 11 the shifters are suppose to be rebuildable so the same for these??
I need one. I really need one.
Did I ever discuss that my last road bike burst out into flames spontaneously?