Nube Question: Cycling Incline
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Nube Question: Cycling Incline
I have a question for our experienced riders. I'm considering a 25 mile ride on Thursday with my riding club. The description says the route will have 740\' of climbing. I'm new to cycling and don't understand the numbering scheme and the severity. What is the correlation. Thanks
"This is a 20-25 mile route with approximately 740\' of climbing. It passes into Bourbon County and visits Mattoxtown, Hutchison, and Muir".
"This is a 20-25 mile route with approximately 740\' of climbing. It passes into Bourbon County and visits Mattoxtown, Hutchison, and Muir".
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This means that if you add up all the the ascents, large or small, long or short, in the 25-mile ride, it will total 740 feet of elevation change. 740 feet of climbing is nothing to sneeze at.
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I have a question for our experienced riders. I'm considering a 25 mile ride on Thursday with my riding club. The description says the route will have 740\' of climbing. I'm new to cycling and don't understand the numbering scheme and the severity. What is the correlation. Thanks
"This is a 20-25 mile route with approximately 740\' of climbing. It passes into Bourbon County and visits Mattoxtown, Hutchison, and Muir".
"This is a 20-25 mile route with approximately 740\' of climbing. It passes into Bourbon County and visits Mattoxtown, Hutchison, and Muir".
The first interpretation is the more intense ride (assuming no extreme slopes), since there are probably several ups and downs on the route. In this case the sum of all the ups would be greater than 740, resulting in more total work in climbing to complete the ride.
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50'/mile climging is not bad. 75-100'/mile is pretty demanding.
Your trip would be 28'/mile. Not very demanding.
Your trip would be 28'/mile. Not very demanding.
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You might want to go out and drive the route.
As Weak Link observed, 28'/mile would not be that bad. On the other hand, if most of the climbing were concentrated in one or two big hills, it might not be a lot of fun.
As Weak Link observed, 28'/mile would not be that bad. On the other hand, if most of the climbing were concentrated in one or two big hills, it might not be a lot of fun.
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So....I think we've established that 740 feet in 25 miles is either "nothing to sneeze at" or "not very demanding." We're always helpful!
Maybe depends on what you're used to? Might be helpful to contact the ride leader in advance and get him/her to compare the terrain to something in the neighborhoods where you are used to riding.
Here in Seattle, 740 feet of climbing in 25 miles would be considered "mostly flat." (My daily commute, over some typical Seattle terrain, is 1800 feet of climbing in 10 miles, each way. It's a very good workout if I try to do it quickly, nothing remarkable if I take it easy.)
Maybe depends on what you're used to? Might be helpful to contact the ride leader in advance and get him/her to compare the terrain to something in the neighborhoods where you are used to riding.
Here in Seattle, 740 feet of climbing in 25 miles would be considered "mostly flat." (My daily commute, over some typical Seattle terrain, is 1800 feet of climbing in 10 miles, each way. It's a very good workout if I try to do it quickly, nothing remarkable if I take it easy.)
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Show up at the ride and see for yourself. The worst that can possibly happen is you'll have to ride the last 24 miles by yourself. That's not a very bad outcome and you'll know not to ride with that group again. At best you'll meet some new riding companions. What people always conveniently leave out is that, if you start and end at the same place, for every 740' of climbing there's also 740' of downhill.
Go and have fun.
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Best advice.
BTW, I was nervous before my first Seattle-area organized ride. I actually went out and pre-rode the ride on a very nice weekend; it was a ride known for its "tough hills" and once I got a sense for what "tough" means it gave me a lot of confidence and some comparison against future rides. No substitute for doing a few local rides so you can start to figure out what local riders mean by "easy", "hilly," "challenging" etc.
Best advice.
BTW, I was nervous before my first Seattle-area organized ride. I actually went out and pre-rode the ride on a very nice weekend; it was a ride known for its "tough hills" and once I got a sense for what "tough" means it gave me a lot of confidence and some comparison against future rides. No substitute for doing a few local rides so you can start to figure out what local riders mean by "easy", "hilly," "challenging" etc.
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I don't do group rides so I can't advise you about the ride. But I recently rode in a very hilly part of south central Wisconsin. Here are the stats: 3700 ft of ascent / in total 68 miles.
I calculated the hardest climb to be about 8% when my heart rate was 175.
The TdF would classify that as an Hors Category climb. (No bar room jokes please.)
OK... so I'm not going to France...here's the rub:
I climbed 249 ft over 3168 ft distance (0.6 miles).
The typical TdF Hors Category climb is 5000 ft in 11.8 miles!!!
And...they do it fast:
/"One last note. I think it is inappropriate to compare the ascents of
climbs by the European pros with the efforts of us mere mortals.
I have said this time and time again and I will repeat it now. It
is very, very hard for the average person to comprehend just how
fast the pros climb the big passes. Pace makes all the difference.
Riding a climb is very different than racing it."/
So really, if your club ride is geared toward folks like yourself, who are relatively new to cycling, then it should be no problem. OTOH, if it is intended for TdF wannabe's, then you will be dropped and you will spend the time riding be yourself.
I calculated the hardest climb to be about 8% when my heart rate was 175.
The TdF would classify that as an Hors Category climb. (No bar room jokes please.)
OK... so I'm not going to France...here's the rub:
I climbed 249 ft over 3168 ft distance (0.6 miles).
The typical TdF Hors Category climb is 5000 ft in 11.8 miles!!!
And...they do it fast:
/"One last note. I think it is inappropriate to compare the ascents of
climbs by the European pros with the efforts of us mere mortals.
I have said this time and time again and I will repeat it now. It
is very, very hard for the average person to comprehend just how
fast the pros climb the big passes. Pace makes all the difference.
Riding a climb is very different than racing it."/
So really, if your club ride is geared toward folks like yourself, who are relatively new to cycling, then it should be no problem. OTOH, if it is intended for TdF wannabe's, then you will be dropped and you will spend the time riding be yourself.
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So take-home message is: if Carlos Sastre invites you to a ride, decline politely?
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^^ That's about the size of it.
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740 feet of climbing over 25 miles is pretty close to pancake flat. Enjoy the ride.
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You could also map the route into https://www.bikely.com or a similar service that shows the elevation profile. (In fact, you could even search bikely to see if someone has already input that route.)
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Plugging in the numbers we get 740/(5280x20) = 0.007007575 or less than a 1% grade overall.
Have fun.
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Your identifier says your in Kentucky and what I know of Kentucky is it is rolling hills (mountains in the east). Most rides post the total ascent not the highest to lowest point on the ride. If you know the route - map it on Bikely or Bikeroutetoaster (my favorite) and get the stats and profiles. 740' over 25 miles is not much but there might be some small steep grades in it. My experience is that club organized rides which are not rated as quick or fast rides (i.e. the A group) will have gentle rolling hills. Go have fun and if your ability does not match the group (you may be more capable then them as well) then ride at your own pace and have fun.
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I don't do group rides so I can't advise you about the ride. But I recently rode in a very hilly part of south central Wisconsin. Here are the stats: 3700 ft of ascent / in total 68 miles.
I calculated the hardest climb to be about 8% when my heart rate was 175.
The TdF would classify that as an Hors Category climb. (No bar room jokes please.)
OK... so I'm not going to France...here's the rub:
I climbed 249 ft over 3168 ft distance (0.6 miles).
The typical TdF Hors Category climb is 5000 ft in 11.8 miles!!!
And...they do it fast:
.
I calculated the hardest climb to be about 8% when my heart rate was 175.
The TdF would classify that as an Hors Category climb. (No bar room jokes please.)
OK... so I'm not going to France...here's the rub:
I climbed 249 ft over 3168 ft distance (0.6 miles).
The typical TdF Hors Category climb is 5000 ft in 11.8 miles!!!
And...they do it fast:
.
Attachment shows North climb and that is Metres and Kms. Translates to 5,000ft in 13 miles.
Heard that before somewhere
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Those TDF Hors catagory things take into account what the riders did before they got to the climb. For example, Alpe du huez, according to a 60 year old friend who has done it twice, isn't all that hard. But doing it after climbing 10,000 feet on other mountains makes it HC.
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Several weeks ago we did a 102 mile ride with 7,700 vertical gain. Advertised as 8,500 feet gain. Steepest road section was 17%, fortunately not too long a grade! Only in WVa would someone build a road with that incline.
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Just looked at one of my 19 mile loops out of my office in Carnegie, PA. Total elevation gain of 2467 feet in 19 miles which works out to 129.8 feet per mile of gain.
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Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree. This is one of the reasons why gas is $4 per gallon. This is a bike forum...go out and pedal the route and have fun. The worst thing that can happen is it'll be harder than you thought and you'll build some character.
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Why are people so obsessed with knowing every detail about a bike route before they ride it? Discover it as you ride it.
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Here is an xample of what you could get youurself in to without knowing. I call the route "The Wall"