Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Fifty Plus (50+) Share the victories, challenges, successes and special concerns of bicyclists 50 and older. Especially useful for those entering or reentering bicycling.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-24-09, 06:52 PM   #1
card
Happy Rider
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Texas
Bikes: Gold Rush, Moots compact, Bike Friday Pocket Crusoe
Posts: 749
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Poll on where Lance will finish the TDF

I don't know how to post a poll.

Do you think he will win?
Do you think he will get a podium finish?
Do you think he will be top ten?
Top 25?
Drop out?
Crash out?
How much will he miss George H.? (sorry "over 50 George"--not you)
How about Chechu in the mountains?

Wish I knew how to post a poll, but, this will be an interesting TDF, especially if Landis somehow winds up there
card is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 06:57 PM   #2
Tom Bombadil
His Brain is Gone!
 
Tom Bombadil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Paoli, Wisconsin
Bikes: RANS Stratus, Bridgestone CB-1, Trek 7600, Sun EZ-Rider AX, Fuji Absolute 1.0, Cayne Rambler 3
Posts: 9,980
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I tried clicking on all of your options / sentences, but nothing happened.
__________________
"Too often I would hear men boast of the miles covered that day, rarely of what they had seen." Louis L'Amour

There are two types of road bikers: bikers who are faster than me, and me. Bruce Cameron - Denver Post

Last edited by Tom Bombadil; 01-24-09 at 07:42 PM.
Tom Bombadil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 07:14 PM   #3
card
Happy Rider
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Texas
Bikes: Gold Rush, Moots compact, Bike Friday Pocket Crusoe
Posts: 749
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil View Post
I tried clinking on all of your options / sentences, but nothing happened.
that's because I don't know how to post a poll

i haven't found a book called POSTING A POLL FOR DUMMIES
card is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 07:59 PM   #4
tebeguache
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Bikes:
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Paris
__________________
[img]http://******************/sig/tebeguache.jpg[/img]
tebeguache is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 08:28 PM   #5
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by card View Post
that's because I don't know how to post a poll

i haven't found a book called POSTING A POLL FOR DUMMIES

It is not difficult. Whenever you post a new thread, look below the are where you write the new thread and you'll see the "Additional Options" area. The last option is "post a poll". Check the box and when you submit the thread it will let you set up the poll.
BluesDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 08:39 PM   #6
oilman_15106
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 6,900
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tebeguache View Post
Paris
Good one. And if he rides like he did this week that may not even happen.
oilman_15106 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 09:02 PM   #7
makr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: St. Paul, MN
Bikes: Specialized Crossroads hybrid, but will soon be trading for something with drop bars.
Posts: 64
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't think he'll be the lead guy on his team. I think there'll be one or two guys stronger on his team.
makr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 09:35 PM   #8
Artkansas 
Pedaled too far.
 
Artkansas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: La Petite Roche
Bikes:
Posts: 12,858
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I think he will finish up in the announcer's booth.
__________________
"He who serves all, best serves himself" Jack London

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bjforrestal View Post
I don't care if you are on a unicycle, as long as you're not using a motor to get places you get props from me. We're here to support each other. Share ideas, and motivate one another to actually keep doing it.
Artkansas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 09:58 PM   #9
Louis
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 4,866
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Drop out.
Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 10:27 PM   #10
Iowegian
Senior Member
 
Iowegian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Boulder, Colo
Bikes:
Posts: 1,819
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
I think he'll end up in the bottom of the top 10. The big question is what his team will do for him. Hard to imagine too many guys going all out to help him have a chance to re-live his glory days...but who knows...if he makes a good showing in an early TT or mountain stage, he could finish high.
Iowegian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 10:52 PM   #11
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
He'll finish outside the top ten with some big days setting pace for team Astana early on some key climbs in support of their GC contender (Contador?). Kind of like a George Hincapie role in Lance's winning teams. I'd bet on a serious attempt at one stage win.
BluesDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-09, 11:03 PM   #12
Robert Foster
Banned.
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern california
Bikes: Lapierre CF Sensium 400. Jamis Ventura Sport. Trek 800. Giant Cypress.
Posts: 3,498
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't think he will finish in the top ten but I wish he would. However if by some miracle he did win we might see a second French Revolution.
Robert Foster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 12:31 AM   #13
Hermes 
Elite Rider
 
Hermes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Bikes: Too Many
Posts: 9,686
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
That is a big depends......

If I believe that his return to racing is to promote his foundation etc etc versus just winning the TdF then top 10.

However, if he is preparing as he did for the other 7 wins then he will win. I do not see a GC contender that will be able to match him in the mountains and time trials if he hits the magic 6.7 watts/Kgm power to weight ratio.
__________________
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. Aristotle

Cat: Killer
Hermes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 01:12 AM   #14
europa
Grumpy Old Bugga
 
europa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Adelaide, AUSTRALIA
Bikes: Europa, Hillbrick, Road Chief, Repco Superlite (Ol' Rusty)
Posts: 3,328
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
It is not difficult. Whenever you post a new thread, look below the are where you write the new thread and you'll see the "Additional Options" area. The last option is "post a poll". Check the box and when you submit the thread it will let you set up the poll.
Stop being helpful, it ruins the whole tone of this thread

Richard
europa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 02:33 AM   #15
seenoweevil
invisible friend
 
seenoweevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Decatur, Alabama
Bikes: Gary Fisher Tassajara hardtail mtb, '01 Rans Wave, '98 Raleigh R700, Mid-80's Takara Professional, '91 Bianchi Alfana
Posts: 961
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
He'll finish outside the top ten with some big days setting pace for team Astana early on some key climbs in support of their GC contender (Contador?). Kind of like a George Hincapie role in Lance's winning teams. I'd bet on a serious attempt at one stage win.
+1. I think the Dawg's right on the money.
seenoweevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 07:48 AM   #16
NOS88
Senior Member
 
NOS88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Montgomery County, Pennsylvania
Bikes:
Posts: 6,490
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have no idea at all. It is way too early in the season to predict where someone with his experience and abilities we be in five months, or what could happen to "top contenders". One of the things that I've always liked about this particular race is that so many things can happen during the race itself, that "top contenders" often finish in positions no one could have predicted.
__________________
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. - S. Wright
Favorite rides in the stable: Indy Fab CJ Ti - Colnago MXL - S-Works Roubaix - Habanero Team Issue - Jamis Eclipse carbon/831
NOS88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 08:45 AM   #17
Pat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Orlando, FL
Bikes: litespeed, cannondale
Posts: 2,795
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
This is the way I see it.

Lance Armstrong has been out of competitive cycling for 4 years.

Age is a problem. I remember Miguel Indurain's last tour. He had won 5 straight. He came into the last tour a bit over weight and got hammered. There is not much of a difference seperating the top riders and even a small decrease is decisive. Bad sign for Armstrong.

Lance Armstrong in his prime looked gaunt. Being really really skinny is a big plus on climbs. He does not look gaunt right now. Losing an edge on climbs can be decisive. Bad sign for Armstrong.

Armstrong had the best team on the tour by far. Now he is going to have a team that is mediocre at best. I do not think people understand how big of a contribution having a great team can be. Really, really bad sign for Armstrong.

From personal experience, I know what it is like to be the dominant rider in a group. When people push, you can crush them. That hurts mentally and physically. People start responding to your lead. They recover when you recover and they go when you go. You call the shots. During his peak, Lance Armstrong could usually dictate the tempo of the peloton. Also other riders expected Lance to beat them. I am not saying that Armstrong did not ride against great riders, he did. But he did impose his will on them or so I think. Well new guys have come up. I am sure they don't expect Armstrong to beat them. They will fight him every bit of the way.

Armstrong has age, team, conditioning and competition working against him. He has to over come all of these. If Armstrong can finish in the top 10, I would find that as impressive as any of his tour wins. But I don't think Armstrong will finish in the top 10.
Pat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 09:22 AM   #18
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
This is your idea of a "mediocre at best" team? With General Manager Johan Bruyneel?

The 2009 Astana Cycling Team:

Lance Armstrong, Assan Bazayev, Jani Brajkovic, Alberto Contador, Valeriy Dmitriyev, Aleksandr Dyachenko, Jesús Hernández, Chris Horner, Maxim Iglinskiy, Roman Kireyev, Andreas Klöden, Berik Kupeshov, Levi Leipheimer, Steve Morabito, Dmitriy Muravyev, Daniel Navarro, Benjamín Noval, Sérgio Paulinho, Yaroslav Popovych, Bolat Raimbekov, Gregory Rast, Sergey Renev, José Luis Rubiera, Michael Schär, Tomas Vaitkus, Andrey Zeits, Haimar Zubeldia.
BluesDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 10:31 AM   #19
Hermes 
Elite Rider
 
Hermes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Bikes: Too Many
Posts: 9,686
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
This is your idea of a "mediocre at best" team? With General Manager Johan Bruyneel?

The 2009 Astana Cycling Team:

Lance Armstrong, Assan Bazayev, Jani Brajkovic, Alberto Contador, Valeriy Dmitriyev, Aleksandr Dyachenko, Jesús Hernández, Chris Horner, Maxim Iglinskiy, Roman Kireyev, Andreas Klöden, Berik Kupeshov, Levi Leipheimer, Steve Morabito, Dmitriy Muravyev, Daniel Navarro, Benjamín Noval, Sérgio Paulinho, Yaroslav Popovych, Bolat Raimbekov, Gregory Rast, Sergey Renev, José Luis Rubiera, Michael Schär, Tomas Vaitkus, Andrey Zeits, Haimar Zubeldia.


+1 I read Bruyneel's book "You might as well win" that chronicles his years with Lance. Bruyneel is a master at the game and Lance the perfect partner. Bruyneel's point is that if you plan to do something like race the TdF, you might as well do what is necessary to win and put in the extra effort. That extra effort was very significant and reading what they did to prepare seemed not humanly possible from a logistic, travel, training and recovery point of view. They were consumed and driven by the one event to the detriment of everything else in their life - no compromises no excuses. And Bruyneel held Lance BACK so that he did not win too many stages to control the media and take focus off of Discovery.

Lance stopped racing because he was not prepared to do what was necessary yet again for the 8th win. Let's see if he decided to put in the required effort for this year.

BTW, Lance is exactly where he should be for weight and power. It is too early in the season to be a full power and skinny. He would not be able to maintain that until July. It is only possible for a pro cyclist to hit a peak for about two weeks once per year which is exactly how he won 7 races in a row.
__________________
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. Aristotle

Cat: Killer
Hermes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 10:37 AM   #20
spoke50
Miles over Matter
 
spoke50's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: birmingham al
Bikes: trek
Posts: 387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I hope he does well just so I'll have a reason to watch the thing this year.
spoke50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 10:43 AM   #21
George
Senior Member
 
George's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Katy Texas
Bikes: Specialized Roubaix
Posts: 5,376
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I predict, Lance Armstrong, Alberto Contador and Levi Leipheimer will make the podium in some of the stages, but not all. I think Lance will do better with a little more riding time and be in the top 10. I would like to see George H there as well. He is a real work horse and deserves more credit than he gets.
__________________
George
George is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 10:47 AM   #22
PlatyPius
Arsehole
 
PlatyPius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 2,280
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think Lance will see some new skank on the side of the road, abandon the TdF, and shack up with her for a while before tiring of her and dumping her for Miley Cyrus.
PlatyPius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 10:47 AM   #23
Jet Travis
Ride Daddy Ride
 
Jet Travis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Villa Incognito
Bikes: 1983 Trek 720; 1983 Trek 620; 1989 Gi Cannondale Bad Boy Ultra; LeMond Victoire; Bike Friday Pocket Rocket Pro
Posts: 2,648
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I hope Lance does well. As an old, washed-up warhorse, I'll be cheering for the guy people think is an old, washed-up warhorse.
__________________
"Light it up, Popo." --Levi Leipheimer
Jet Travis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 10:55 AM   #24
plodderslusk
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Norway
Bikes:
Posts: 1,379
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I tried the other day to recall the name of the guy who won TdF 2008. It might be a sign of impending dementia but I it took me quite some time to get who won. I think it will be great for this years TdF to have him back. Part of the fun for me is that how he will end up in Paris none of us can really tell. What he does is against all odds, but he has been fighting against worse odds before.
plodderslusk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 11:35 AM   #25
snaproll
Senior Member
 
snaproll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Arkansas
Bikes: Cannondale Synapse, Surly Cross Check
Posts: 109
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I believe it is a mistake to count Armstrong out of anything he sets his mind to.

He said in one interview that he actually started his training this year 10 pounds lighter than he did for most seasons. He normall started at about 180 but this year he started at 170. He says he'll be 163 for the tour. I don't think weight will be any issue.

I don't expect him to win the tour, but I'll be shocked if he doesn't finish and I can see him finishing in the top 10 if he gets a good injury free training season in.

No matter where he finishes, it will be fun to see the heart burn he'll create for Jean-Etienne Amaury and the rest of the French elitists just by riding again.

Quote:
Jean-Etienne Amaury told French sports newspaper L'Equipe on Saturday, "We can't say that he has not embarrassed the Tour de France, as he has had a quite a complicated history with it."
GO LANCE!!
__________________
Fighting Time and Gravity
snaproll is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:50 AM.