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    Blue is faster....

    Yep, blue is faster. My son has coveted my Jamis Eclipse (853 steel & carbon version) for over a year now. So, we found a Jamis Eclipse frame for him the same year and same size. We built it up using exactly the same components as mine.... from inner tubes to cables, everything on these two bikes is the same. The only difference is that mine is gray/silver and his is blue. Yet, when riding the two bikes, one right after the other, it's clear that his rides a bit faster. We both agree on this. In trying to figure out why this is the case we swapped wheels thinking maybe the bearings in set one were running a bit easier. Nope, the blue one is still faster. So, we swapped cranks and bottom brackets.... same thing. The blue one is faster. We even took turns coasting down a hill timing each run, and the blue one keeps coming out as faster. I can't figure out any logical reason for this. So, I'm simply gonna go with, "blue is faster." I guess I'm easily amused, but I do find this amusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
    Yep, blue is faster. My son has coveted my Jamis Eclipse (853 steel & carbon version) for over a year now. So, we found a Jamis Eclipse frame for him the same year and same size. We built it up using exactly the same components as mine.... from inner tubes to cables, everything on these two bikes is the same. The only difference is that mine is gray/silver and his is blue. Yet, when riding the two bikes, one right after the other, it's clear that his rides a bit faster. We both agree on this. In trying to figure out why this is the case we swapped wheels thinking maybe the bearings in set one were running a bit easier. Nope, the blue one is still faster. So, we swapped cranks and bottom brackets.... same thing. The blue one is faster. We even took turns coasting down a hill timing each run, and the blue one keeps coming out as faster. I can't figure out any logical reason for this. So, I'm simply gonna go with, "blue is faster." I guess I'm easily amused, but I do find this amusing.
    Just wait till you try a white bike......

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    How do you keep finding these great frames? Blue may be faster, but color me green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
    How do you keep finding these great frames? Blue may be faster, but color me green.
    I've actually got a fairly large network of bike folks in the industry who keep a look out for things for me. This particular fame came quicker and easier than most. It was a floor model that got lost in the shuffle and then stripped for part for another build the owner was doing.
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    No question about it, blue is faster
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    I must say, after reading the ops thread, I was kind of laughing to myself. I always had a sneaking suspicion that the color makes the difference.
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    This thread is heresy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
    Yep, blue is faster. My son has coveted my Jamis Eclipse (853 steel & carbon version) for over a year now. So, we found a Jamis Eclipse frame for him the same year and same size. We built it up using exactly the same components as mine.... from inner tubes to cables, everything on these two bikes is the same. The only difference is that mine is gray/silver and his is blue. Yet, when riding the two bikes, one right after the other, it's clear that his rides a bit faster. We both agree on this. In trying to figure out why this is the case we swapped wheels thinking maybe the bearings in set one were running a bit easier. Nope, the blue one is still faster. So, we swapped cranks and bottom brackets.... same thing. The blue one is faster. We even took turns coasting down a hill timing each run, and the blue one keeps coming out as faster. I can't figure out any logical reason for this. So, I'm simply gonna go with, "blue is faster." I guess I'm easily amused, but I do find this amusing.
    This is nice to know as I have a Blue Cannondale.

    One question i have is where do you find time to do all this testing and work. Have you weighed both frames? Maybe the blue one is lighter? Dunno

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    This thread is heresy.
    Note that technically, he has only determined that blue is faster than gray/silver.
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    Hmm, just a guess but does your son always rides the blue bike and you always ride the gray/silver bike?
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    He OP said they both ride both bikes and test them both. Both directly after each other.
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    Everybody knows that green bikes are faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    This thread is heresy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil View Post
    Note that technically, he has only determined that blue is faster than gray/silver.
    Well it might not be heresy, but it certainly is 'here say'.

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    These are the fastest bikes:

    1. Italian bikes
    2. Red bikes.
    3. Steel bikes.
    4. Bikes without kickstands.
    5. Bikes without computers on them ("Honestly, I must have hit 30 on the sprint, too bad I didn't have a computer to record that...")
    6. Your bike ("I would have been faster on that last section if I had been riding *your* bike")
    7. The next bike I want to buy.


    The slowest bikes are:

    1. All other countries of origin.
    2. The bikes I own.
    3. Bikes that have computers on them.
    4. Any color but red.
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    Comes as no surprise to me, my blue Jamis is pretty darned quick too

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    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    These are the fastest bikes:

    1. Italian bikes
    2. Red bikes.
    3. Steel bikes.
    4. Bikes without kickstands.
    5. Bikes without computers on them ("Honestly, I must have hit 30 on the spring, too bad I didn't have a computer to record that...")
    6. Your bike ("I would have been faster on that last section if I had been riding *your* bike")
    7. The next bike I want to buy.


    The slowest bikes are:

    1. All other countries of origin.
    2. The bikes I own.
    3. Bikes that have computers on them.
    4. Any color but red.
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    I was going to say that the problem might be something to do with the engine but I reread the oringal post and the OP seems to have ruled out that reason.

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    So how old is the son?

    If you think the blue bike is faster now, wait until the two of you try riding together. My bet is when that happens the blue bike is going to be a LOT faster.

    My sons seem to have a knack for finding bikes that are painted faster colors than mine too.

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    JAMIS IS FAST FAST FAST FAST

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    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    The slowest bikes are:

    3. Bikes that have computers on them.
    +1. I find that I've gone much faster and farther when I estimate vs. when I've measured a ride with a computer.

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    I find that I have gone the fastest on a red , white and blue bike; right after I have come out of a very long tunnel.

    Honest, my GPS said so, 77 mph.

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    The more you ride your bike, the less your ass will hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr32 View Post
    This is nice to know as I have a Blue Cannondale.

    One question i have is where do you find time to do all this testing and work. Have you weighed both frames? Maybe the blue one is lighter? Dunno
    It didn't take more than an afternoon to do the testing and gear changes. We started about 11:30 am and were done around 6 pm. The wheel changes were just a few minutes and the bottom brackets were only about 30 minutes each switch. The rest was the riding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    So how old is the son?

    If you think the blue bike is faster now, wait until the two of you try riding together. My bet is when that happens the blue bike is going to be a LOT faster.

    My sons seem to have a knack for finding bikes that are painted faster colors than mine too.
    He's coming over Sunday afternoon for a ride. Maybe I'll ask him to switch bikes for the whole ride. I suspect, however, that this won't help much. He'll still be using 25 year old legs to my 57 year old legs. Despite this I sure would like to know what is causing the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    No question about it, blue is faster
    My blue Peugeot is among the fastest in the stable.
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    It even looks fast doesn't it.

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