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Old 08-11-09, 06:42 PM   #1
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Yet another should I buy? 2010 trek Madone 5.1

I've asked a couple of questions on the 50+ forum and narrowing my model choices over the past few weeks....

I want to add a road bike, since I'm riding street 150 miles a week on my squishy. I average 15-16 mph for distances 20-30 miles on hilly roads on my 30 lb bike. I'm 55, 6' 3", 202 lbs & fit. I want to go faster and longer (on the bike).

LBS has shown me a Madone 5.1 compact, which is higher priced than I had planned to go, but I could swing it and I like it. LBS knows I like nice stuff.

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes...done/madone51/

Is this just stupid overkill?

What kind of discount should I expect to negotiate on a 2010? msrp is $3459.

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Old 08-11-09, 06:51 PM   #2
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Except to say that I've read posts from other Madone owners who love their bikes, I can't say much about the bike itself. Discount on an '10, that's tough. I've known of shops that offer 10% on current year Treks. The big discounts would be on '08 and '09 models, if you can find one in your size. Not uncommon to get 30% off, sometimes even approaching 50%.
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Have to agree with Tom the Bomb - 010's are not likely to fetch much discount, look for an '09, you may ask the store to check the distributor. The one guy I have ridden with a few times this summer like his madone, we rode together for 80 mile last Saturday.
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If you can afford it, go for it. You'll be amazed at the difference.

And no, it isn't overkill.
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I got a 5.2 Madone 3 weeks ago. I really like it.
It is the nicest bike I've ever ridden.
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If you can afford it, go for it. You'll be amazed at the difference.

And no, it isn't overkill.
Buy it and don't look back, you will be amazed.
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I have a 4.5 that I love! Not much to compare to, though, since it is my first road bike.
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I have a Independent Fabrication Ti Crown Jewel I'd sell you for much less than the Trek. PM if you're interested.
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I don't know if the Madone is the one you should buy or not, but no, it isn't stupid overkill if you can afford it. You are a good enough rider to enjoy a good road bike.
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I don't know if the Madone is the one you should buy or not, but no, it isn't stupid overkill if you can afford it. You are a good enough rider to enjoy a good road bike.
bingo. that's exactly what I was thinking. now I just have to find the $$$...
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I have last year's 5.2 and I absolutely love it. Trek seems to have discontinued the 5.2 this year and is going only with the 5.1 in that series. A quick glance at the specs indicates that the only difference is that the 5.1 has Ultegra components and the 5.2 has Ultegra SL And this year the bike seems to be offered only in one "fit", whereas last year the 5 series bikes came in Pro fit and Performance fit. The only difference is that the Performance fit has a slightly taller head tube.
The bike is light, stiff and comfortable and tracks like a rollercoaster on downhills. I would highly recommend it.
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I owned a 2006 Madone 5.2 with the Ultegra gruppo, triple crankset, 12/27 cassette and race lite wheels. I liked it a lot and it was a smooth ride and nice handling. I purchased the 2006 versus the 2007 and chose the 5.2 over the 5.5. Both decisions, I regretted later. The 5.5 had D/A and better wheels. I ended up puchasing better wheels and in the end spent more money. On a $$/gm basis, D/A is a better deal. However, its resale value was very good. I sold it on Ebay and I was very pleased with the transaction.

The 5.1 pictured in the link is shown with a compact double and a 12/25 cassette. I would recommend a 12/27 cassette. The reason is for the 34/24 gear. That is a great climbing combination since it allows one to spin a little faster than the 34/23 which is available on the 12/25. And you have the 34/27 as a bailout gear. The LBS should provide you whatever option you want.

As far as overkill is concerned, less fit cyclists get the most benefit from better cycling equipment. This is because even though the contribution of the equipment is small performance gains, it is a greater percentage of the less fit cyclist's power. Very fit cyclist's power overwhelms the benefit of better equipment. However, in racing, perfect equipment is required since everyone is very fit and wining and losing is decided by seconds and inches so equipment makes a differnce in another way.

IMHO, the idea that you have to be fit enough or good enough to own nice equipment is real BS. Buy what you want and can afford. Riding a very nice bicycle is one of the pleasures of life.
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I owned a 2006 Madone 5.2 with the Ultegra gruppo, triple crankset, 12/27 cassette and race lite wheels. I liked it a lot and it was a smooth ride and nice handling. I purchased the 2006 versus the 2007 and chose the 5.2 over the 5.5. Both decisions, I regretted later. The 5.5 had D/A and better wheels. I ended up puchasing better wheels and in the end spent more money. On a $$/gm basis, D/A is a better deal. However, its resale value was very good. I sold it on Ebay and I was very pleased with the transaction.

The 5.1 pictured in the link is shown with a compact double and a 12/25 cassette. I would recommend a 12/27 cassette. The reason is for the 34/24 gear. That is a great climbing combination since it allows one to spin a little faster than the 34/23 which is available on the 12/25. And you have the 34/27 as a bailout gear. The LBS should provide you whatever option you want.

As far as overkill is concerned, less fit cyclists get the most benefit from better cycling equipment. This is because even though the contribution of the equipment is small performance gains, it is a greater percentage of the less fit cyclist's power. Very fit cyclist's power overwhelms the benefit of better equipment. However, in racing, perfect equipment is required since everyone is very fit and wining and losing is decided by seconds and inches so equipment makes a differnce in another way.

IMHO, the idea that you have to be fit enough or good enough to own nice equipment is real BS.
Buy what you want and can afford. Riding a very nice bicycle is one of the pleasures of life.
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The quality of the bike is not in doubt and it will improve your road riding.

Only question I would ask is if it is the right bike for you? I don't know and you won't till you get out and ride one. But before you do- get a couple of test rides on a few other comparable bikes. It is surprising how comparing various bikes against each other does show one up as the one that Screams "BUY ME" That may be the Madone or it might be another bike.

And hate to say it- but unless there is a Major change of spec or manufacture of the latest 2010 bike- You could save a lot of $$$'s buy getting an 09 in the sales that will be starting shortly.
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Old 08-12-09, 03:17 PM   #15
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I bought a Madone 5.0 WSD a couple years ago and I LOVE the bike

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The Madone's are great bikes but as others have suggested, you should be able to save hundreds by finding a 2009 model. The wheels on the 5.1 are ok......but there are much better out there. I would recommend XLites over the Race wheels. That would be an area where I would use the dollars saved for a 2009 model and get a lighter set of wheels. Of course you will not know the difference unless you've ridden wheels that were 300 grams heavier to start with........
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The superficial difference between Shimano 105- and Ultegra-level gear is fairly subtle. Out of the box their performance is really not that much different in a practical sense.

The only way to really know what the difference is, is to ask people who deal with large numbers of bikes and riders. When I ask such people I trust, they opine that Ultegra-level (and Dura Ace) will perform better for longer periods of time. They will give less problems over a longer lifetime. They last longer because they are made to higher tolerance with superior materials.

Of course, I can't possibly know if they are right or not. But I do appreciate industrial art.

Get the 5.1 if you want it and can afford it.
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Well, I think you notice a sizeable difference going from a 30 lb bike to a madone. But you would probably notice a similar improvement with a slightly less costly bike. I have known people who have gotten better bikes to improve their speed but most of those have been from 105 to Dura Ace or something like that. I think the Madone will accelerate and corner much better than your current ride and should just feel better. It should give you a bump. And what are you waiting for? We are all on the downward slope and our active years have a limit. Getting a good bike now and enjoying it while you can makes a bunch of sense.
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This is a no-brainer. It's a white bike. Go for it.
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The post by Hermes says it very well.
My 2006 Madone 5.2 is terrific but the Dura Ace shifts better. More crisp. I needed a triple crank to do the AZ mountains. Standing on the lowest gear just barely made it.
I am 195# and 6'1", 34 waist.
Handling, Cornering, Acceleration are superb as compared to my Aluminum Cannondale Road Bike.
Madone is a wonderful bike. I bought a close out model for $2,200 plus tax. I would do that again. Not sure if I would be able to justify full price for benefit received.
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BTW, I love my Madone but I use my Trek 7700 with 32 mm tires more often because the pavements in this area are so bad that the pounding gets to my wrists, hands and shoulder.
A 23 mm high pressure tire is harsh and the Madone accepts maximum 25 mm.
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To elaborate a bit on my previous post, I feel confident that your desire for "faster and longer" would be facilitated by a Madone or similar bike. However, the point is well taken that you might get similar increment of performance change with a less expensive alternative.

But my affirmative response to the Madone purchase was not so much based on it's impact on your performance. Though there would surely be some performance benefit, I'm guessing that you will enjoy your rides a lot more riding a good machine. From the language you used, I'm also guessing you would enjoy a Madone (or similar) more than someone who rides a couple of hours a week at 12 mph.
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To elaborate a bit on my previous post, I feel confident that your desire for "faster and longer" would be facilitated by a Madone or similar bike. However, the point is well taken that you might get similar increment of performance change with a less expensive alternative.

I only went road 3 years ago after 15 years of MTB's. Not certain as to whether I was going to like road riding so I went cheap on the first bike. Not Cr*p cheap- a Giant OCR3. Once I got used to the new ride position- and got a few changes on the Bike- I realised I should have bought better.

So I did- but n+1 is nice. I now have 2 excellent bikes- a good one and a loaner for new riders.
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I really appreciate all the replies.

I rode the 2010 5.1 for a 1/2 hour or so and really liked it. It's a 58 and apparently I need a 60, which they can get this week.

They could also get in this week a 2009 5.2 for $500 less.

Decisions, decisions. I'm going to order Monday...
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Checking on the spec- it has a choice of Crankset. A compact or a triple. You say you live in a hilly area- but how hilly and how strong a rider are you? First road bike had a triple fitted as that was what I had on the MTB's and mentally that was what I wanted. Second had a compact and that was no more difficult on our 10 to 15% slopes compared to the triple. Mind you- I have put a triple on one bike for the mountains.
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