Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Fifty Plus (50+) Share the victories, challenges, successes and special concerns of bicyclists 50 and older. Especially useful for those entering or reentering bicycling.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-18-10, 06:55 PM   #1
cyclinfool
gone ride'n
Thread Starter
 
cyclinfool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Bikes: Simoncini, Gary Fisher, Specialized Tarmac
Posts: 4,051
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
New feature

I just noticed tonight - while I was checking to see how far this summers 50+ get together is on Google maps - they added a feature so you could get bike directions between two places. I tried from my house to Watkins Glen, it gave me a pretty good route utilizing a lot of the bike paths that exist. It also allows you to change the path between the end points. This is really quite cool. All they need to add is an elevation profile and this could be a really useful tool.

BTW - from my house to Watkins Glen - I got it down to 192 miles by bicycle, could be an ultra-bike ride if I choose to go that way...
cyclinfool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-10, 08:29 PM   #2
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,251
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Germans invade Poland!
BluesDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 05:13 AM   #3
cyclinfool
gone ride'n
Thread Starter
 
cyclinfool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Bikes: Simoncini, Gary Fisher, Specialized Tarmac
Posts: 4,051
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
Germans invade Poland!
The British must also be coming - oh well, so much too keep up with these days. I'm sure glad bicycles never change
cyclinfool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 06:51 AM   #4
bikegeek57
Senior Moment
 
bikegeek57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Atlanta, GA
Bikes: Fuji Absolute 4.0
Posts: 1,004
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
glad you found the new feature. read the title and thought uh oh some new Microsoft bug is on the loose... ;-)
bikegeek57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 08:15 AM   #5
Allegheny Jet 
Senior Member
 
Allegheny Jet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Medina, OH
Bikes: confidential infromation that I don't even share with my wife
Posts: 5,708
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I ran a couple of my distance ride routes on the Google map feature. One thing that I noticed was the routes would detour around climbs or just larger hills. The route would break off a main road then take a side road and loop back to the main road. I would suggest anyone using the feature to compare the route to one supplied by GPS myride, Bikely or Map My Ride.
__________________
oldschool areodynamic brick
Allegheny Jet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 08:30 AM   #6
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,251
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
I think they use specific route information where they have it and they use computer formulas to choose routes where no info is available. I have noticed that some of the routes they give in my area go on roads that I know are not paved. I need to figure out how to provide suggestions. this is a nice feature and I'm sure the quality of the routes will improve over time.
BluesDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 12:18 PM   #7
tsl
Plays in traffic
 
tsl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Rochester, NY
Bikes: 1996 Litespeed Classic, 2006 Trek Portland, 2013 Ribble Winter/Audax
Posts: 6,955
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
One thing that I noticed was the routes would detour around climbs or just larger hills. The route would break off a main road then take a side road and loop back to the main road.
I think they're slanting more towards "people who want to take a bike ride" as opposed to cyclists like us. Another thing that points in that direction is their time estimate. On my regular commute to the library, it estimates 29 minutes. My actual clock time ranges from 22 to 25, and my ride time is 15-20.

I don't have actual clock time for this one because I had to fix a flat, but I modified the middle section of my once-a-week three-legged commute between my two workplaces. I lengthened it at each end to fit my intended ride, then I rode it yesterday.

It estimated 57 minutes for the 10.2 mile mostly-MUP ride. I rode 10.44 miles in 41:41--into a 20-30 MPH headwind--and had a flat along the way.

My conclusion is they estimate speeds for the occasional cyclist on a hybrid. I imagine they account for climbing the same way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
I think they use specific route information where they have it and they use computer formulas to choose routes where no info is available. I have noticed that some of the routes they give in my area go on roads that I know are not paved. I need to figure out how to provide suggestions. this is a nice feature and I'm sure the quality of the routes will improve over time.
On some of my routes, it credits the Rails to Trails Conservancy. It missed a couple of MUPs entirely though, so I'm not sure who's responsible for that. Doesn't matter, I guess. I reported the missing MUPs.

The routing will improve with judicious use of their feedback feature, found with every routing. Much of it is opinion, however, and everyone's opinion will be different. Unpaved roads are entirely appropriate for some, but perhaps not for roadies.

EDIT: In the city, it prefers to route through residential side streets. I personally don't care for all the meandering and four-way stop signs this entails. I prefer longer, straight sections with fewer turns and stops. This means arterials. Many cyclists--particularly inexperienced ones--dislike arterials. It seems to favor them. I can't count that as a flaw.

While certainly not out-of-the-park, I think they hit a stand-up double on their first at-bat.

Last edited by tsl; 03-19-10 at 12:34 PM.
tsl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 12:24 PM   #8
tsl
Plays in traffic
 
tsl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Rochester, NY
Bikes: 1996 Litespeed Classic, 2006 Trek Portland, 2013 Ribble Winter/Audax
Posts: 6,955
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclinfool View Post
BTW - from my house to Watkins Glen - I got it down to 192 miles by bicycle, could be an ultra-bike ride if I choose to go that way...
Does this mean you'll be joining us for the ride in June?
tsl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 12:33 PM   #9
Louis
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 4,866
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
My understanding is, it is a work in progress. They are asking for helpful suggestions.

I ran some of my routes through it and the results were mixed. They often used roads with more traffic than my selected, time tested roads. Perhaps their computer has it's reasons.

Overall, I like it.
Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 02:02 PM   #10
Wogster
Senior Member
 
Wogster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Toronto (again) Ontario, Canada
Bikes: Norco Bushpilot (out of commission), Raleigh Delta
Posts: 6,941
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclinfool View Post
I just noticed tonight - while I was checking to see how far this summers 50+ get together is on Google maps - they added a feature so you could get bike directions between two places. I tried from my house to Watkins Glen, it gave me a pretty good route utilizing a lot of the bike paths that exist. It also allows you to change the path between the end points. This is really quite cool. All they need to add is an elevation profile and this could be a really useful tool.

BTW - from my house to Watkins Glen - I got it down to 192 miles by bicycle, could be an ultra-bike ride if I choose to go that way...
Unfortunately this feature is not available, here in Canada, at least not yet.....
Wogster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 02:08 PM   #11
RonH
Life is good
 
RonH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not far from the Withlacoochee Trail. 🚴🏻
Bikes: 2001 Litespeed Tuscany and 2014 Cannondale SuperSix EVO Hi-Mod
Posts: 16,463
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
I read the title and thought there was a new feature in the 50+ forum.
__________________


The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy. - Psalm 103:8
RonH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 03:10 PM   #12
cyclinfool
gone ride'n
Thread Starter
 
cyclinfool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Bikes: Simoncini, Gary Fisher, Specialized Tarmac
Posts: 4,051
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsl View Post
Does this mean you'll be joining us for the ride in June?
I laying out my season schedule now. As far as location - I can't use the excuse of too expensive to travel. I'll let you know soon, but I will if there is time to fit every thing in.
cyclinfool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-10, 03:29 PM   #13
rm -rf
don't try this at home.
 
rm -rf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: N. KY
Bikes:
Posts: 3,736
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 66 Post(s)
In ridewithgps.com, you can click Cycling instead of Driving on the right side panel. Then it'll skip highways and will use bike paths if available. It's a bit faster, since I don't have to force it to route around freeways, etc.

I use ridewithgps if I want to save a route or send it to someone. I'll use google maps directly if I'm just trying to get a rough estimate of distances or to play around with alternate routes, since I can just grab a route and drag it over to a different street.
rm -rf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:54 PM.