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Stop signs
I at least slow down, clip out and be prepared. Some run without doing either, even with cars nearby. What's your opinion?
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It really pisses off drivers when they see bicycles running stops. I just try to respect the other guy.
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Reminders, found at the intersection of a smaller and larger street, with the hope that you stop and look, before proceeding.
Sorters, these are found at intersections of streets that may seem equal, but may have different traffic flows, usually the less busy street has the stop sign, if traffic is equal on both streets, a 4 way stop may be used, the idea is to sort out the traffic.
Political stops, these are multi-directional stops where the only purpose of using a 4 way as opposed to a 2 way stop, is political in nature, traffic flows and street size are often vastly different, but rather then ticket speeders, they install stop signs to slow down the traffic. In theory this should work, it really doesn't though, because lead foot drivers will simply use lots more gas, and create a lot more pollution to get back to cruising speed.
I usually stop for stop signs that are reminders and sorters, although when you get the 27th political stop within 1km on a ride, sometimes, I will admit to going slowly through, providing there is NO cross traffic. This will be in a gear I am comfortable stopping in though. Stop lights, always stop, too many cagers see a green light and don't look for traffic. The first thing you learn though in any kind of defensive driving course is to expect that the other guy will, given the chance, do something stupid. I apply the same rules when riding.
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I normally stop unless there are no vehicles in sight, then I'll just slow a bit.
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Pretty simple -- even in my messy state, I can trackstand long enough to check for traffic, and if traffic is coming, I can easily unclip and put a foot down. If nothing is coming, I'm gone.
The guy who has led the Ride of Silence the last two years here has mad skills for traffic riding; he put his foot down ONCE during the whole ride each year. He trackstands through stoplight cycles and all.
The guy who has led the Ride of Silence the last two years here has mad skills for traffic riding; he put his foot down ONCE during the whole ride each year. He trackstands through stoplight cycles and all.
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As a commerical truck driver, mostly within large cities, I see cyclists running stop signs and red lights all the time. Aside from pissing other road users off, they're playing a form of Russian roulette. Unfortunately, I see several cyclists splattered every year, mostly from failing to stop, or trying to pass on the right between parked vehicles and large trucks or busses.
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Rule Number 1: Don't EVER violate the right-of-way of another vehicle.
That said, I tend to follow the Idaho law-- treat a Red Light like a Stop Sign, and a Stop Sign like a Yield Sign. But I always follow Rule Number 1.
If there are other vehicles going in my direction, I queue up with the rest of them, and don't filter to the front.
That said, I tend to follow the Idaho law-- treat a Red Light like a Stop Sign, and a Stop Sign like a Yield Sign. But I always follow Rule Number 1.
If there are other vehicles going in my direction, I queue up with the rest of them, and don't filter to the front.
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On quiet side streets where there's little traffic I come almost to a stop and check for traffic. If there is cross-traffic I'll stop and put a foot down even when I can balance without doing so, just to let the drivers know that I'm not intending to go right through the intersection. Most drivers I encounter seem to be waiting for me to go, regardless of who has the right of way. Maybe they're used to bikes bombing through stop signs without even slowing down.
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My opinion is that I slow down enough at stop signs so that i can stop in the event of a car coming from any direction. My rule is that I run stop signs but I never force a car to brake as a result.
The advantage around here is that a lot of stop signs have mirrors around so I can clearly see around the corner before approaching and I can go through pretty quickly.
The advantage around here is that a lot of stop signs have mirrors around so I can clearly see around the corner before approaching and I can go through pretty quickly.
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Muscle memory. I watch drivers roll through stop signs (where there is no one coming) at speed every day. Several times a day I watch drivers roll through stop signs when there is someone coming. The two concepts are linked together. Train for what you do and do what you train.
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I will slow down with intent of clipping out if needed. If all is clear I will roll through if not I stop and wait.
Track stand skills are no up to snuff yet but I can almost stand still long enough, my problem is if I don't I am scared to fall Tombay style.
Track stand skills are no up to snuff yet but I can almost stand still long enough, my problem is if I don't I am scared to fall Tombay style.
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Come to a full stop. Carefully scan for bogies approaching the intersection, proceed when clear. It's all habit and has worked for me for over 50 years on bikes and cars. I can't imagine doing anything else.
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I don't usually come to a full stop, but I'll slow enough that I can look each way for several seconds before proceeding.
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rule number 1: Don't ever violate the right-of-way of another vehicle.
That said, i tend to follow the oregon law-- treat a red light like a stop sign, and a stop sign like a yield sign. But i always follow rule number 1.
If there are other vehicles going in my direction, i queue up with the rest of them, and don't filter to the front.
That said, i tend to follow the oregon law-- treat a red light like a stop sign, and a stop sign like a yield sign. But i always follow rule number 1.
If there are other vehicles going in my direction, i queue up with the rest of them, and don't filter to the front.
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Totally depends on the intersection for me.
If it's a 'political' intersection on a small street I'll make sure no one's coming then usually blow the sign.
Anywhere closer to downtown I usually slow and then proceed.
I only put my foot down to assure oncoming/turning drivers that I'm not going to blow the sign
My favourite move is getting up beside a car that has already stopped and shadowing it through the intersection so I don't have to stop.
I pretty much never blow a sign if there is already a car stopped or waiting.
Red lights. Always stop. Nothing bothers me more than someone blowing past me on my left to run a red light.
If it's a 'political' intersection on a small street I'll make sure no one's coming then usually blow the sign.
Anywhere closer to downtown I usually slow and then proceed.
I only put my foot down to assure oncoming/turning drivers that I'm not going to blow the sign
My favourite move is getting up beside a car that has already stopped and shadowing it through the intersection so I don't have to stop.
I pretty much never blow a sign if there is already a car stopped or waiting.
Red lights. Always stop. Nothing bothers me more than someone blowing past me on my left to run a red light.
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In town I pretty much stop at all stop signs and stop and go lights. In the country with no traffic in sight, I don't hesitate to run it.
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Unless there really is no traffic anywhere nearby and visibility is good, I stop/trackstand. I wouldn't blow through in my car, so I don't on my bike, either.
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Situational. If cross traffic, also most always stop. Only exception is at four way with traffic next to me stopping and adjusting speed so I start about the same time they do. Usually I'm going about 5 mph. If no cross traffic, always slow down and drop speed to less than 10. This is stop signs only. Stop lights, always unclip at least one foot and stop.
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Red lights and I obey- Green lights and I take care.
Most towns over here are getting cycle conscious. 3 ft wide bike lanes at kerbs and special areas at junctions in front of the cars for bikes. What is better is that Car drivers are respecting these areas.
So my feeling is that Councils have accomodated us- Car drivers have to- so I should respect the car drivers if I want respect back.
Most towns over here are getting cycle conscious. 3 ft wide bike lanes at kerbs and special areas at junctions in front of the cars for bikes. What is better is that Car drivers are respecting these areas.
So my feeling is that Councils have accomodated us- Car drivers have to- so I should respect the car drivers if I want respect back.
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Get real. If I did that, I'd have to stop 4 times on my way out of my sub at "political" stop signs along a downhill thru road at the entrance to several small residential courts. In 25 years of living here and regularly driving my car that way, I have never seen a car coming the other way at any of those signs -- they are there strictly to attempt to slow cars down.
I'm pretty much with rck -- I always obey the signs fully when there is other traffic present, but otherwise if there is nobody in sight, I go on through.
Last year on a big organized ride, a number of cycles were riding through a fairly busy town. I stopped at a four-way along with a number of other cyclists and allowed a car to the right to proceed. Just then, some a-hole cyclist came blasting by our whole group into the intersection, causing the motorist to have to slam his brakes on. Then of course we got the dirty look!
I'm pretty much with rck -- I always obey the signs fully when there is other traffic present, but otherwise if there is nobody in sight, I go on through.
Last year on a big organized ride, a number of cycles were riding through a fairly busy town. I stopped at a four-way along with a number of other cyclists and allowed a car to the right to proceed. Just then, some a-hole cyclist came blasting by our whole group into the intersection, causing the motorist to have to slam his brakes on. Then of course we got the dirty look!
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If I did that, I'd have to stop 4 times on my way out of my sub at "political" stop signs along a (downhill) thru road at the entrances to several small residential courts. In 25 years of living here and regularly driving my car that way, I have never seen a car coming the other way at any of those signs -- they are there strictly to attempt to slow cars down.
I'm pretty much with rck -- I always obey the signs fully when there is other traffic present, but otherwise if there is nobody in sight, I go on through.
Last year on a big organized ride, a number of cycles were riding through a fairly busy town. I stopped at a four-way along with a number of other cyclists and allowed a car to the right to proceed. Just then, some a-hole cyclist came blasting by our whole group into the intersection, causing the motorist to have to slam his brakes on. Then of course we got the dirty looks!
I'm pretty much with rck -- I always obey the signs fully when there is other traffic present, but otherwise if there is nobody in sight, I go on through.
Last year on a big organized ride, a number of cycles were riding through a fairly busy town. I stopped at a four-way along with a number of other cyclists and allowed a car to the right to proceed. Just then, some a-hole cyclist came blasting by our whole group into the intersection, causing the motorist to have to slam his brakes on. Then of course we got the dirty looks!
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