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    Do we now have a moderator of moderators in the 50+ forum?

    Seems that if someone doesn't like a post it gets reported to the mods to get moved, and then it gets moved, without a "by your leave."

    Heck, we've been through this again and again. The 50+ forum - to me - represents a more "50+" view on a lot of different topics. If it is going to be limited to hemorrhoids and the like, then I need to follow Blues Dawg and Billydonn out of here, and let'close the darn thing down.

    What's up with moving the threads to different forums at the request of one person, not even the OP?
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    I've discussed this in the past with the other mods and most of them agree that the 50+ forum is "special" and we allow a little more latitude. But we draw the line if a thread gets political or definitely belongs somewhere else.


    BTW: Which threads were moved? I haven't moved one in at least a month, maybe longer.
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    This is the thread that was moved:

    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ly-hit-cyclist

    It looks like BluesDawg started it, and then went back and edited the original post after the thread was moved. One member of the forum asked for the thread to be moved; it's not clear to me why.


    And I'm guessing this is the thread where BluesDawg and bdonn announce they've had enough:
    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...394-had-enough


    I don't see why the mods would move that at the request of one member, when they let non-cycling-related nonsense like this go on in the road forum:
    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?670263-Don-t-Ride!-You-ll-get-Skin-Cancer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonH View Post
    I've discussed this in the past with the other mods and most of them agree that the 50+ forum is "special" and we allow a little more latitude. But we draw the line if a thread gets political or definitely belongs somewhere else.


    BTW: Which threads were moved? I haven't moved one in at least a month, maybe longer.
    Something about a driver running over a bike rider on purpose. It went to A&S if that helps.

    Many thanks to whoever moved it for assisting in the provision of additional drama to the 50+ forum, God knows us old farts could use some excitement.
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    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ly-hit-cyclist

    Move requested by The Weak Link for reasons unknown. MOved for reasons unstated.

    Here is the edited post. It has changed since originally posted:

    This really isn't about driver vs. cyclist. It is about stupid vs. even stupider. Any flaming maroon will tell you that you never, ever insult a drunk man's girlfriend. Did the cyclist think his Pinarello provided him with the cloak of invisibility?

    Anyway, reported to the mods. Take this stuff over to A&S where it belongs.
    Last edited by DnvrFox; 08-10-10 at 07:47 AM.
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    I agree with you on this Denver.

    Although I am a relative newcomer to this sub-forum I have found it to generally be my favorite of all because I feel I am communicating with a group of peers in terms of "whole" life experience.

    This group is all over the place in every respect except our over 50 year status and our enjoyment of cycling. We have new riders and people with many thousands of miles in their legs. We have recumbent riders, tandem riders, racers and pleasure riders.

    We are a very representative sample of mature adults. We have some very real differences in outlook and opinion. And I enjoy that difference.

    As I see it this is a very simple group to belong to and share in. You have to be interested in cycling and be 50 years old. If you have an idea or a question you want to pose to the group please do so. As far as I am concerned this doesn't have to be restricted to any topic. As long as we can remain civil to each other why not communicate?

    I realize certain topics can become emotional and create tension between respondents. This is one of the most interesting aspects of human nature and intellect to me. I take great pleasure in the interplay of civil debate. When intelligent, witty and thoughtful people agree to disagree in a manner that remains civil and respectful it is a great pleasure.

    I have referred to the "democracy" of these forums in another thread. I stand by my belief in that. If the topic isn't generally interesting it will soon be gone into oblivion and forgotten. If you don't care for a subject don't post a response and the thread moves that much quicker to oblivion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
    If you don't care for a subject don't post a response and the thread moves that much quicker to oblivion.
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    I agree with you on this Denver.

    Although I am a relative newcomer to this sub-forum I have found it to generally be my favorite of all because I feel I am communicating with a group of peers in terms of "whole" life experience.
    I find your whole post was very well done.

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    Since I'm being demonized, I thought I might respond.

    Since my membership began I've hit the "objection" button a grand total of 4 times.

    The post today would have been moved in a Missouri minute over at the road forum. Those type of posts serve no end except to further an "us vs. them" mentality. it's not my call and it should not have been taken personally.

    There was a post on this thread two years ago that was political from the git-go. It wasn't even tangential to cycling. I protested, and the mod at the time (I don't remember who it was) told me, on the open forum rather than a PM, to go shove it. That was certainly one way to handle it.

    Denver's recent political post was also called out. There was no response to my protest by the mods initially, so I launched a counter-thread. Both threads got moved. I was fine with that. I did get lectured by a mod via PM. I thought the mod was correct and dropped the matter.

    Finally, I took exception to someone's signature that read: End global warming -- kill a Republican.

    Now really.

    The mods agreed with me on that one and the poster had it changed.

    I'm a libertine and a degenerate at heart so I don't much care what is posted, really, as long as it doesn't create a hostile environment. Since I've been called on this forum, both openly and in PM, a racist, a member of the KKK, and an inbred toothless Kentuckian (that's a heck of a thing to say to someone who was born in Washington, D.C., the son of an employee of the federal government and whose mom was from Ames, Iowa) I suppose I'm a bit touchy about what comes across this forum.

    I could lecture about even-handedness and having a sense of fair play but I'm afraid I'd be wasting bandwidth on that one.

    Anyway, this site is supposed to be a site for bikes. I'll accept my voluntary blacklisting from some of you for awhile. Let BD know it's safe to come back.

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    For whatever it's worth, I find Blues Dawg and The Weak Link two of the most entertaining posters on this forum and I'd be sorry to see either of them leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss kenton View Post
    For whatever it's worth, I find Blues Dawg and The Weak Link two of the most entertaining posters on this forum and I'd be sorry to see either of them leave.
    I agree. Let's demonstrate that we really do have the maturity that is supposed to come with our years and let the whole thing slide, shall we? It doesn't matter who was right or wrong. Even the most constructive communities sometimes go off the rails. THe more we let this fester, the harder it will be to let it pass. I guess people will need to vent on this thread for another day or so, but then we should bury it.

    Oh, and it's raining this morning and I'm worried that I won't get my ride in later. Now that's something to get upset about.

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    Can't we all just get along?











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    Quote Originally Posted by miss kenton View Post
    For whatever it's worth, I find Blues Dawg and The Weak Link two of the most entertaining posters on this forum and I'd be sorry to see either of them leave.
    And helpful and encouraging at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Weak Link View Post
    ... Since I've been called on this forum, both openly and in PM, a racist, a member of the KKK, and an inbred toothless Kentuckian ....
    Really?! Hmmm, well, when you and everyone else comes back from wherever you guys wander off to during these "time outs" you'll have to delve into these allegations and clue us in. 'Sounds like fun!

    Well, don't nobody stay away for too long, folks, I can only ride my bike so much more, and then I get tired and I have to come back here and read how tired (or not) my fellow 50+ers are, and what they're going to do about it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrierman View Post
    Something about a driver running over a bike rider on purpose. It went to A&S if that helps.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Weak Link View Post
    Since I'm being demonized, I thought I might respond.

    Since my membership began I've hit the "objection" button a grand total of 4 times. .
    I'm not sure anything here could fairly be characterized as "demonizing" you. Maybe purely political stuff unrelated to cycling should be moved but I don't see why other topics, like this one need to go to the "appropriate" forum. Most of us post and read here because we value the opinions of the 50+ audience. Almost anything we write about could go elsewhere (e.g. mechanics, road) but we don't want it to -- we want to talk about it with the more mature audience found here
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    One comment (and strictly my own opinion)...

    I think that any group that claims openness to all topics also has to be open to accepting the opinions of those who object.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Weak Link View Post
    I'm a libertine and a degenerate at heart so I don't much care what is posted, really, as long as it doesn't create a hostile environment. Since I've been called on this forum, both openly and in PM, a racist, a member of the KKK, and an inbred toothless Kentuckian (that's a heck of a thing to say to someone who was born in Washington, D.C., the son of an employee of the federal government and whose mom was from Ames, Iowa) I suppose I'm a bit touchy about what comes across this forum.

    I could lecture about even-handedness and having a sense of fair play but I'm afraid I'd be wasting bandwidth on that one.

    Anyway, this site is supposed to be a site for bikes. I'll accept my voluntary blacklisting from some of you for awhile. Let BD know it's safe to come back.
    ?????????

    Somehow these just don't add up. "...I'd be wasting bandwith on that one." doesn't create a hostile environment? Makes me wonder what the real reason is BD's post hit a nerve?
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    Sad that this forum has to go through the whiny little crap again.

    Hope the women’s forum does not have to put up with this.
    Last edited by CB HI; 08-10-10 at 03:57 PM.

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    Asking a mod to move a long-time participant's thread to another forum because you alone have decided it doesn't fit - that doesn't create a hostile environment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Darwin View Post
    One comment (and strictly my own opinion)...

    I think that any group that claims openness to all topics also has to be open to accepting the opinions of those who object.
    Seems to me that the real objection was with the Mod's action and not with the opinion expressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Seems to me that the real objection was with the Mod's action and not with the opinion expressed.
    I agree. That certainly did not help the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Darwin View Post
    One comment (and strictly my own opinion)...

    I think that any group that claims openness to all topics also has to be open to accepting the opinions of those who object.
    Absolutely.

    I think we all will respect an objection but clearly if the subject is of interest and not outside the norms of civil, open discussion why move it to another forum? If the discussion is developing in an objectionable fashion a moderator can close it. If the case can be made for the thread's merit it can be re-opened with warnings to keep the discourse respectful and polite.

    I know that sometimes what one person sees as wit another can view as a personal attack or disrespect. We all need to remember that this is just words on the internet. Nothing we can say here is worth getting worked up over. Let's remember our purpose here is to inform, entertain and support each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Seems to me that the real objection was with the Mod's action and not with the opinion expressed.
    This sounds about right. I have participated in a lot of bulletin boards over the years. The ones that are best moderated are the ones that are the least moderated. BF seems to have some active moderators who have a neatness fetish and just can't resist moving things into the "correct" thread. My vote is for a light hand in all things moderator. Keep order as appropriate. When in doubt leave things alone. Resist micro-managing because we are not Borg (well, not all of us anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazNine View Post
    My vote is for a light hand in all things moderator. Keep order as appropriate. When in doubt leave things alone. Resist micro-managing because we are not Borg (well, not all of us anyway).
    This gets my vote too. It's not like this sub-forum is overrun with non-bike related threads. I have no objection to some digression to topics that aren't strictly about bikes or biking, but are of general interest to cyclists, and especially 50+ cyclists. As someone else said, threads that aren't of interest to those who frequent this sub-forum will quickly fade into oblivion.
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    Since BD edited his original post most of us (including me) may never know what started all this and why the thread was moved.
    TWL got to read it and thought it should be in A&S. He seems like a level-headed person to me.
    I think we should get over this and move on.
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