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Old 03-23-11, 02:34 PM   #1
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Wife Wants Saddle Too High

My wife likes her saddle high, and recently asked me to raise it for her, which I did.

Today I measured her inseam and calculated the recommended height. The saddle is a full two inches above the height recommended by the Lemond formula (88.3% times inseam to bottom bracket) or 1.09% formula (pedal spindle at lowest point to saddle).

I think I'll try to convince her to try it lower.
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Old 03-23-11, 02:40 PM   #2
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Either that, or wait until the pain behind her knee convinces her. If it is indeed too high, she'll likely feel it there.
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Old 03-23-11, 03:07 PM   #3
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Try the heel-on-pedal method; more reliable for me that those formulas. If she has a problem there, you have the ammo to convince her.
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Old 03-23-11, 03:07 PM   #4
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Take the blocks off her pedals.
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I just let my wife ride, IMO it's better if it is her idea to lower it, which she likely will. Good luck
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Old 03-23-11, 03:28 PM   #6
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She might like to pedal toes down which would lengthen her leg. If that is her natural style then it might be ok, but two inches is quite a lot.
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Old 03-23-11, 03:45 PM   #7
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I gave up giving my wife, or most other people for that matter, advice... unless they ask for it. I figure I'll stay married longer this way. As BikeWNC points out, she may like to pedal with toes down.
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Old 03-23-11, 03:53 PM   #8
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I would let her make her own mind up if we are talking about my wife of course. In 51 years I've never changed her mind about anything and I am not about to start now. Your results may be different. Good luck.
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Well at least she isn't riding with the saddle too low.

I try not to give advice to folks either but... so I have a few girlfriends who refused to learn anything about the bike. Just this weekend my friend meets me for a ride and says "something is wrong, the peddles won't turn". I look, the chain is off. No problem right? Well my friend tried to correct the problem herself and instead of pulling forward the rear derailleur wheel forward cereating slack for the chain, she pulled the front derailleur away from the frame and disconnected the derailleur wire. WTF? Getting the chain on was easy... reconnecting the wire and adjusting the derailleur was hard and her bike... has never ever been cleaned. The chain was crusty with dirt. Ugh! But I was good, just worked quietly and didn't say a word.
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Old 03-23-11, 04:00 PM   #10
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Just lower it to the proper height , feign loss of memory, and don't tell her.
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Old 03-23-11, 05:04 PM   #11
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I say just let her have it where she wants. The guy at the lbs told me to raise my seat almost 2 inches. He didn't measure my inseam to determine seat height. He put my bike on the trainer and watched me pedal to see what my style was. He said I should have the seat at the height where I can use every bit of umph from the leg before I hit the down position. If your wife runs out of leg to push with before she hits the bottom then her seat is too high.

Measuring the inseam only gives an approximate because everyone's pedaling style is different. Some people use more of a flat foot pedaling style using the thigh muscles more, but women are more likely to use a toe pushing one using the lower leg muscles more. At least, that's what the dude said. I am 2 inches shorter than my husband, but my seat is significantly higher than his is (my legs are a bit longer, I admit). I also prefer to use the muscles on the front of my lower legs more than my thigh muscles, thus I have more of a toe pushing style. My knees never bother me, my thighs are weak.

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Did you measure her inseam correctly? It's from the floor up hard against the pubic bone (blush). For example, mine is 3" longer than the pants inseam I wear when correctly measured.
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Pamestique, My husband is always washing my chain. I just figure the dirt and gunk is there showing that I ride it. He loves getting his new bike dirty and then all sparkly again. He loves buying various chain lubes and wash stuff. He loves it so much that I allow him to do the same to mine.
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Just do what you are told.
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Many fitters will have you pedal a bit, then stop the action with your leg extended, and measure the angle of your knee. That's the most precise way to do it. Some also do this with a computer and video. Some do both. Of course, one can still argue about what that angle should be.
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Old 03-23-11, 05:54 PM   #16
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I'm on her side and good for her in paying attention to determine what she likes. Many raise their saddles until their hips rock, then they lower it until they don't. Mine is much higher than the formula which is nothing but a starting point.

If you study the road racers on Versus, you see seat heights all over the place. You can tell by how high the knees get.

By the way, one can apply more force on the pedal just before and as it passes over the top (12 o-clock) of the pedal stroke with a higher saddle.

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Divorce her.

Option II.

Grab her by both upper arms, shake her violently, tell her to 'snap out of it' and slap her in the face with the back of your hand a couple times.

I saw that technique in an few old movies and it always seemed to work really well.

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TAl, Ride behind her and if her hips are rocking excessively, let her know.

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TAl, Ride behind her and if her hips are rocking excessively, post a video here!
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I gave up giving my wife, or most other people for that matter, advice... unless they ask for it. I figure I'll stay married longer this way. As BikeWNC points out, she may like to pedal with toes down.
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I use 107%of inseam(not pants length), top of seat, to top surface of pedal, at its lowest point, in line with seat tube. (within 1%of your#
if it slips 1/2inch lower my knees hurt...
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Old 03-23-11, 08:19 PM   #22
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This situation clearly calls for a traditional, strong, knowledgeable 50+ male to set her straight!
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Try the heel-on-pedal method; more reliable for me that those formulas. If she has a problem there, you have the ammo to convince her.
Problem I've found (as an ex-shop mechanic) with the traditional "heel-to-pedal" method is it was okay back-in-the day when cycling shoes had flatter soles and pedals were quill-style. In an age of curved-sole cycling shoes and clip-less pedals, it doesn't necessarily work and can produce saddle heights that are on the low side (but still ride-able). Like all methods, it is a starting point. The LeMond (88.3%) method doesn't take into account crank length/shoe length (but it worked for him so good enough) and the ol' 1.09 method can produce too-high saddle heights (voice of personal experience).
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Thanks. She's interested in trying it a little lower, if it ever stops raining here.

If I had my saddle that high, I'd have Achilles tendon problems. The only pain she gets is some tailbone pain, which I've never understood.

Do you think that having it so high could mean a loss in efficiency?
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Do you think that having it so high could mean a loss in efficiency?
Some efficiency articles.

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http://bethleasure.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/pedaling-efficiency/

http://www.bikesplit.com/bsa4.htm

http://www.ismj.com/pages/311417173/...ng-cycling.asp

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