Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Fifty Plus (50+) Share the victories, challenges, successes and special concerns of bicyclists 50 and older. Especially useful for those entering or reentering bicycling.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-25-11, 06:21 PM   #1
HawkOwl
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 2,635
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Which City Has Highest Per Capita Cyclist Population?

As I was riding in the Denver Metro Area last week I noticed a Lot of cyclists of all kinds. At first I was really impressed by their number. After all I'm pre-disposed to be impressed because Denver has such a superb MUP system; and that influences everything else.

Then I got to thinking: Sure there are lots of cyclists. There should be. There are well over a million people in the metro area. That led to asking: Wonder what city or place has the highest proportion of the population riding bicycles. Is it some little place only folks on this forum know about?

Bet the people in this groupl will come up with the Bicycle Capital; the one with the highest percentage of populaton riding bikes. Maybe, even drilling it down to cities on each continent?
HawkOwl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-11, 06:27 PM   #2
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,407
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
I'm sure there is good data on this. I'm guessing Portland, OR in the US and Amsterdam in Europe. Shanghai has millions of cyclists and they are provided limited-use-lanes with fences to separate the cars from the cyclists.

Last edited by Barrettscv; 03-25-11 at 06:31 PM.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-11, 06:51 PM   #3
B. Carfree
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Bikes:
Posts: 6,196
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
I'm sure there is good data on this. I'm guessing Portland, OR in the US and Amsterdam in Europe. Shanghai has millions of cyclists and they are provided limited-use-lanes with fences to separate the cars from the cyclists.
It would really depend on how the data is collected. For instance, there are an awful lot of cars in Portland on a daily basis that are driven by people who live outside the city limits (and often outside the state). Thus, the numbers giving bicycle use for PDX are always an overestimate when one considers the total population of people in the city on a daily basis.

Nitpicking aside, for American cities we are really talking about a tallest midget contest. I hope to still be around when that is not the case.
B. Carfree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-11, 07:25 PM   #4
ThatBritBloke
Oh! That British Bloke ..
 
ThatBritBloke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Princeton, NJ, USA
Bikes:
Posts: 243
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Copenhagen or Amsterdam ... maybe Beijing?
ThatBritBloke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-11, 08:19 PM   #5
HawkOwl
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 2,635
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Aquaintances who have been to Bejing say the bicycle is rapidly going away in favor of scooters and cars. Guess that is a sign of a better economy?

I don't know there is good data on this. I do know that popular US magazines extol certain cities as "Best Biking Cities" but fail to include smaller ones that may have higher per capita participation. Plus, their method of choosing is geared more to selling magazines than providing real information. I'm thinking it is a place that has lots of activity but has a pretty small population.
HawkOwl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-11, 10:46 PM   #6
Garfield Cat
Senior Member
 
Garfield Cat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Bikes: Cervelo Prodigy
Posts: 5,970
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Small city population should win this one. Davis, California
Garfield Cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-11, 11:41 PM   #7
Artkansas 
Pedaled too far.
 
Artkansas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: La Petite Roche
Bikes:
Posts: 12,858
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Isla Vista, California has to be high up there, maybe number one.
__________________
"He who serves all, best serves himself" Jack London

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bjforrestal View Post
I don't care if you are on a unicycle, as long as you're not using a motor to get places you get props from me. We're here to support each other. Share ideas, and motivate one another to actually keep doing it.
Artkansas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 12:06 AM   #8
B. Carfree
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Bikes:
Posts: 6,196
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
Small city population should win this one. Davis, California
Davis has the same problem as PDX. Since housing prices exploded relative to incomes in the area, many people who work/attend college in Davis now live elsewhere and drive in. All those parking lots that stood empty in the '70s and '80s are now full and have been multiplied many-fold. Also, Davis is now a bedroom community serving Sac and the Bay Area, and very few of those folks are riding. I regularly spend a week or two at a time in Davis and I often go days between seeing any bikes being used other than bikes that are stored on campus by those who drive there.

Now, if you want to talk about Davis back between 1973 and 1987, that was a place with truly high percentages of cyclists. Today? Not so much. There are people trying to improve it, but they have a long way to go to get back to where things stood. Davis was once a truly special place where no matter where you stood you would see many more bikes being ridden than cars. It was always wonderful to sit on a bench and watch three or four thousand bikes go by before the first motor vehicle passed. Like I said, discussing which city has the highest percentage of cyclists in America today is like looking for the tallest midget.

We haven't even dealt with the definition of a cyclist yet. If someone drives from one part of town to another but uses a bike to toodle around at their destination is he/she a cyclist or a motorist? If someone rides once per month or only from mid-spring to mid-fall is that person a cyclist? If a person only rides after they drive their bike somewhere is that person a cyclist? I consider the use of a car to have a much larger negative impact on a community than the positive impact of any amount of cycling. Therefore, I would argue for a very restrictive definition in the context of the question of comparative cycling between cities.
B. Carfree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 04:51 AM   #9
xizangstan
Senior Member
 
xizangstan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Colorado-California-Florida-(hopefully soon): Panama
Bikes: Vintage GT Xizang (titanium mountain bike)
Posts: 1,061
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I would assume that college towns with a high proportion of students to non-student citizens would be way up there in bicycle use. I'm thinking of Boulder Colorado and Ft. Collins Colorado as examples of smaller towns that are college campus-centric.




Also, how about tourist resort towns? I'm now thinking of Breckenridge, Colorado. No bikes in winter as snow is super-deep. But the Colorado ski resort community turns into a summer bicycling heaven in the summer tourist season. The chair lifts to the tops of the ski slopes are rigged with hooks for hauling your mountain bikes up to the top along with you. You freeride down the fire trails on the bike, then ride back up again on a chair lift. Downtown is like a beehive of bicycles in the summer. So, what time of year would you be talking about?

Last edited by xizangstan; 03-26-11 at 04:57 AM.
xizangstan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 05:28 AM   #10
gtragitt
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Houston, TX - Energy corridor
Bikes: 2011 Trek SOHO Deluxe, and 2010 Specialized Roubaix Expert
Posts: 868
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I was in Beijing last month.I didn't see very many bicycles. I was there several years back and saw mostly bicycles.

Kaohsiung Taiwan still has a high number of bicycles. I didn't see high end bicycles there although many of the frames we have in the US are manufactured there. I saw a lower percentage of bicycles in Taipei than in Kaohsiung.
gtragitt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 06:43 AM   #11
NOS88
Senior Member
 
NOS88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Montgomery County, Pennsylvania
Bikes:
Posts: 6,490
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Netherlands: People: 16,652,800 - Bicycles: 16,500,000 - Cyclists: ~99.1%
China: People: 1,342,700,000 - Bicycles: >500,000,000 - Cyclists: >37.2%
USA: People: 310,936,000 - Bicycles: 100,000,000 - Cyclists: ~32,2%
Source: http://top10hell.com/top-10-countrie...es-per-capita/

Most bicycle commuters in USA: Philadelphia - The US Census Bureau’s 2008 American Community Survey recently reported that Philadelphia has the most bicycle commuters per capita of the nation’s most populated cities. Philadelphia’s bicycle commuters comprised 1.6% of all commuters who travel to work.
Source: http://bikephl.bicyclecoalition.org/...commuters.html

I knew I had a photo somewhere from our vacation. It took me a bit to find it. The attached is a typical scene in Leiden on any weekday in the commercial part of the city. About every other block you'll see a parking situation like this. These bikes are not sitting in someone's basement or garage. They're being used as primary transportation on a daily basis.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Bike Parking Leiden.jpg (102.0 KB, 7 views)
__________________
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. - S. Wright
Favorite rides in the stable: Indy Fab CJ Ti - Colnago MXL - S-Works Roubaix - Habanero Team Issue - Jamis Eclipse carbon/831

Last edited by NOS88; 03-31-11 at 04:30 PM. Reason: Added Photo
NOS88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 06:46 AM   #12
Artkansas 
Pedaled too far.
 
Artkansas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: La Petite Roche
Bikes:
Posts: 12,858
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtragitt View Post
I was in Beijing last month.I didn't see very many bicycles. I was there several years back and saw mostly bicycles.
That's sad really. The Chinese may be more foolish than we are led to believe.
__________________
"He who serves all, best serves himself" Jack London

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bjforrestal View Post
I don't care if you are on a unicycle, as long as you're not using a motor to get places you get props from me. We're here to support each other. Share ideas, and motivate one another to actually keep doing it.
Artkansas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 06:48 AM   #13
DnvrFox
Banned.
 
DnvrFox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 20,916
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
Netherlands: People: 16,652,800 - Bicycles: 16,500,000 - Cyclists: ~99.1%
So, what's wrong with those 152,800 Netherlandians? Someone better tell them to "get with the program!"
DnvrFox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 07:19 AM   #14
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,407
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
That's sad really. The Chinese may be more foolish than we are led to believe.
It’s ironic, in a rush to be more like the west, they need to duplicate all of our bad habits.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 08:46 AM   #15
donheff
Senior Member
 
donheff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Capitol Hill, Washington, DC
Bikes: Specialized Tricross Comp
Posts: 1,313
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
How about Key West for small town US
donheff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 04:05 PM   #16
Robert Foster
Banned.
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern california
Bikes: Lapierre CF Sensium 400. Jamis Ventura Sport. Trek 800. Giant Cypress.
Posts: 3,498
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
We haven't even dealt with the definition of a cyclist yet. If someone drives from one part of town to another but uses a bike to toodle around at their destination is he/she a cyclist or a motorist? If someone rides once per month or only from mid-spring to mid-fall is that person a cyclist? If a person only rides after they drive their bike somewhere is that person a cyclist? I consider the use of a car to have a much larger negative impact on a community than the positive impact of any amount of cycling. Therefore, I would argue for a very restrictive definition in the context of the question of comparative cycling between cities.
I don't think you will get a definition anyway. I used to hang out in the Car Free forum and they can't define car free and that should be far more definitive that what or who is a cyclist.

To me if the person's first choice for getting from poit A to Point B is a bicycle they should be considered a cyclist. Maybe if you have more miles on your bike than your car that would qualify?

However you can drive a car and be a swimmer or a runner so I would think it would be the same for a cyclist.
Robert Foster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 04:11 PM   #17
xizangstan
Senior Member
 
xizangstan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Colorado-California-Florida-(hopefully soon): Panama
Bikes: Vintage GT Xizang (titanium mountain bike)
Posts: 1,061
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Having a hammer in the tool box doesn't make you a carpenter. Owning a bicycle doesn't mean you're a bicyclist.
xizangstan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 04:42 PM   #18
Randy Bosma
Grandpa with spunk
 
Randy Bosma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: The Calumet Region
Bikes: (See sig block)
Posts: 293
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
Netherlands: People: 16,652,800 - Bicycles: 16,500,000 - Cyclists: ~99.1%
Fails to account for n+1.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkOwl View Post
As I was riding in the Denver Metro Area last week I noticed a Lot of cyclists of all kinds. At first I was really impressed by their number. After all I'm pre-disposed to be impressed because Denver has such a superb MUP system; and that influences everything else.
I share your impressions (impressment?), and hope to do more Denver MUP riding like I did last week.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xizangstan View Post
Having a hammer in the tool box doesn't make you a carpenter. Owning a bicycle doesn't mean you're a bicyclist.
Ya, check the fine print.

Last edited by Randy Bosma; 03-26-11 at 04:43 PM. Reason: format
Randy Bosma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 04:46 PM   #19
twobadfish
Riding
 
twobadfish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bend, Oregon
Bikes: Motobecane Fantom Cross Pro; Motobecane Nemesis Pro
Posts: 1,603
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkOwl View Post
Aquaintances who have been to Bejing say the bicycle is rapidly going away in favor of scooters and cars. Guess that is a sign of a better economy?

I don't know there is good data on this. I do know that popular US magazines extol certain cities as "Best Biking Cities" but fail to include smaller ones that may have higher per capita participation. Plus, their method of choosing is geared more to selling magazines than providing real information. I'm thinking it is a place that has lots of activity but has a pretty small population.
I don't really like the factors they use to determine what city is best for biking. It's really tough to measure things like motorist's attitude - the most important factor for me. I don't need my own lane or MUP lanes or whatever else they take into account. I want considerate drivers who are aware of cyclists and are willing to share the road. And some cities are definitely worse than others in this regard.
twobadfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 04:57 PM   #20
Robert Foster
Banned.
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern california
Bikes: Lapierre CF Sensium 400. Jamis Ventura Sport. Trek 800. Giant Cypress.
Posts: 3,498
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by xizangstan View Post
Having a hammer in the tool box doesn't make you a carpenter. Owning a bicycle doesn't mean you're a bicyclist.
True, but still what makes a runner, swimmer, climber weight lifter, hiker or Pilot?
Robert Foster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 05:42 PM   #21
Phil85207
Century bound
 
Phil85207's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Mesa Arizona
Bikes: Felt AR4 and Cannondale hybrid
Posts: 2,253
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If it the winter time I think it must be Tempe Mesa area.
Phil85207 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-11, 09:04 PM   #22
cehowardGS 
Motorcycle RoadRacer
 
cehowardGS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 3,828
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
Netherlands: People: 16,652,800 - Bicycles: 16,500,000 - Cyclists: ~99.1%
China: People: 1,342,700,000 - Bicycles: >500,000,000 - Cyclists: >37.2%
USA: People: 310,936,000 - Bicycles: 100,000,000 - Cyclists: ~32,2%
Source: http://top10hell.com/top-10-countrie...es-per-capita/

Most bicycle commuters in USA: Philadelphia - The US Census Bureau’s 2008 American Community Survey recently reported that Philadelphia has the most bicycle commuters per capita of the nation’s most populated cities. Philadelphia’s bicycle commuters comprised 1.6% of all commuters who travel to work.
Source: http://bikephl.bicyclecoalition.org/...commuters.html
If I am not mistaken, I think PA also has the most motorcycles per capita than any other state...They be rollin in PA
__________________
2001 Raleigh R700
1996 Litespeed Classic
1995 Klein Quantum
1989 Cannondale Black Lightning
1988 Centurion Expert Ironman
1989 Centurion Master Ironman
1986 Raleigh Grand Prix(Btr)
1985 Raleigh Prestige
1985 Raleigh Competition
1985 Raleigh Grand Prix #1
1985 Raleigh Grand Prix #2 (project #1)
1985 Raleigh Super Course (project #4)
1979 Raleigh Competition GS-1
19? Raleigh M50 MTB
19? Cannondale F300 MTB

2007 Suzuki GSX R1K
http://www.cehoward.net/pretty.jpg
75,Old,Dirty,&Fast
cehowardGS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-11, 05:55 PM   #23
HawkOwl
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 2,635
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
Netherlands: People: 16,652,800 - Bicycles: 16,500,000 - Cyclists: ~99.1%
China: People: 1,342,700,000 - Bicycles: >500,000,000 - Cyclists: >37.2%
USA: People: 310,936,000 - Bicycles: 100,000,000 - Cyclists: ~32,2%
Source: http://top10hell.com/top-10-countrie...es-per-capita/

Most bicycle commuters in USA: Philadelphia - The US Census Bureau’s 2008 American Community Survey recently reported that Philadelphia has the most bicycle commuters per capita of the nation’s most populated cities. Philadelphia’s bicycle commuters comprised 1.6% of all commuters who travel to work.
Source: http://bikephl.bicyclecoalition.org/...commuters.html
I doubt the accuracy of the data. Don't know about every place. But in places I do know about there isn't any good methodology to have good data on number of cycles, let alone how many commute.

It only makes sense that there would be a higher proportion of Europeans, especially from the smaller countries, that commute on bikes than in the US. The US is a larger country than almost all of Europe put together and grew up with individual land ownership rather than aristocratic land ownership. Therefore, it is more spread out and commuting distances are usually greater than the 2.5K cited for the Netherlands.
HawkOwl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-11, 06:09 PM   #24
DnvrFox
Banned.
 
DnvrFox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 20,916
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Balmy climate, ideal terrain make Tucson a cycling haven

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_17692346

Last edited by DnvrFox; 03-27-11 at 06:21 PM.
DnvrFox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-11, 06:17 PM   #25
DX-MAN
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 4,789
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Mackinac Island, MI. No cars allowed.
DX-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:51 AM.