Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 18 of 18

Thread: Good one!

  1. #1
    Dan J chinarider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Iron Mountain, MI
    My Bikes
    1974 Stella 10 speed, 2006 Trek Pilot 1.2
    Posts
    1,195
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Good one!

    1974 Stella 10 Speed
    2006 Trek Pilot 1.2

    “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.”
    Bertrand Russell

  2. #2
    Senior Member VaultGuru's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Fair Oaks,CA
    My Bikes
    Kestrel RT1000 & Calfee Tandem
    Posts
    715
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    See it all the time on the bike trail. A friend of mine called it - "more money than legs". Another one along the same theme are way overweight people that are so proud of spending big bucks to save a gram of weight.

  3. #3
    Badger Biker ctyler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Beloit, Wisconsin
    My Bikes
    Cannondale Saeco CAD-3, Surly Cross Check
    Posts
    974
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    So typical. Love it.
    It's a good day to ride.
    --------------------------
    Cannondale Saeco CAD3
    Specialized Sirrus Elite
    Surly Long Haul Trucker
    Surly Cross Check

  4. #4
    Senior Member FlatSix911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Altos, CA
    Posts
    1,595
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The truth ...

    Quote Originally Posted by chinarider View Post
    You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
    You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
    You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
    You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
    You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

  5. #5
    Senior Member NOS88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Montgomery County, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    6,379
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by VaultGuru View Post
    See it all the time on the bike trail. A friend of mine called it - "more money than legs". Another one along the same theme are way overweight people that are so proud of spending big bucks to save a gram of weight.
    You're not suggesting that heavier people shouldn't have great equipment are you?
    A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. - S. Wright

  6. #6
    Senior Member teachme's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Nederland, Texas
    My Bikes
    2011 Specialized Sectuer, 1988 Bianchi
    Posts
    1,441
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Lol!
    Official member of the Brotherhood of Clyde...

    Lets stop diabetes! Click here: http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR/?px...nal&fr_id=8067 to donate to the Tour de Cure.

  7. #7
    Senior Member Retro Grouch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    St Peters, Missouri
    My Bikes
    Rans Enduro Sport, Hase Kettweisel Tandem, Merin Bear Valley beater bike
    Posts
    23,591
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
    You're not suggesting that heavier people shouldn't have great equipment are you?
    No! They can have good equipment. They just shouldn't be allowed to have better equipment than he feels he can afford.

    Sometimes bike shop owners and mechanics have disagreements on this topic. Suppose, for instance, a customer wants riser handlebars and a mattress saddle retro fitted to a Madone bike. Ka-ching baby! That's what we do. That's how we earn our living. It's not like it's the last one on earth. Trek will make more Madones.

  8. #8
    gone ride'n cyclinfool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Upstate NY
    My Bikes
    Simoncini, Gary Fisher, Specialized Tarmac
    Posts
    4,052
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    No! They can have good equipment. They just shouldn't be allowed to have better equipment than he feels he can afford.
    I think I understand what you meant to say, but I don't agree with how you said it. I don't want anyone deciding what I should be allowed to have as long as it's legal. However people who are overweight should be counseled that before spending extra money to save a few ounces on the bike they would yield more improvement from better physical conditioning, including loosing weight. If after such council they choose to spend money - that's their right.

    I for one am not the lightest of riders, at the high end of what is considered normal for my height. I will not spend money to save a lot of weight on the bike (except the wheels), I will to make it stiffer, reduce friction and more aerodynamic but going from 17 to 15 lbs is of little value until my body weight is under 150 lbs and that would take a lot of effort.
    "Of all the things I ever lost I miss my mind the most." Mark Twain
    If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

  9. #9
    Senior Member MinnMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Minneapolis
    My Bikes
    2011 Felt F3 Ltd, 2010 Trek 2.1, 2009 KHS Flite 220, 1991 Bianchi Osprey
    Posts
    1,590
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think we've all pondered and discussed this question quite a bit. In my club, I have near about the cheapest bike of anybody -I ride Al whereas I'd guess that 2/3 of the club is riding either full carbon or Ti. I'm by no means the fastest in the group, but there are quite a few riding $3-5k bikes who are considerably slower. So "SHOULD" they be spending so much money on bikes when they don't really have the ability to match? Sure they should. I don't think they have any illusions that the bike is making them faster. They ENJOY having nice bikes.

    I think of it this way. I drive an inexpensive car - a Honda Fit. If I had chosen to spend an extra $5k to get a Civic would people be looking at me thinking that I'm not a good enough driver to merit a better car? Of course not. So why give grief to people who enjoy the feel and aesthetics of a top-line bike? They're spending about as much extra as one would spend to drive a slightly nicer car, right? And many of them spend more time on their bikes than they do in their cars.

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    1,216
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I don't need a bike shop counseling my about my health or weight or anything except bikes (when I ask for it). I'll get the health counseling from my doc.

    I'm not the lightest guy either and I've been riding decent mileage for a long, long time. But let me say this - upgrading wheels made a huge difference for me and made gave me a lot more range and climbing ability. These would be wheels that are probably beyond my ability. Do I wait to lose weight or go out and ride and make it as easy as it can be so it's as fun as it can be? What if I intend to lose weight? Do I buy a heavier lower tech bike for my weight and then buy another one later the same year when I've lost sufficient weight and gained sufficient experience to be worthy?

    This whole nonsense about how you don't deserve a good bike until you are "worthy" or lose sufficient weight is silly. Good bikes are more fun to ride. If you want to buy the lightest bike parts and spend your last nickel on it, so what? It's your money.

    J.

  11. #11
    Senior Member Retro Grouch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    St Peters, Missouri
    My Bikes
    Rans Enduro Sport, Hase Kettweisel Tandem, Merin Bear Valley beater bike
    Posts
    23,591
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by cyclinfool View Post
    However people who are overweight should be counseled that before spending extra money to save a few ounces on the bike they would yield more improvement from better physical conditioning, including loosing weight. If after such council they choose to spend money - that's their right.
    Actually, I utterly disagree with everything you said except for the last sentence. It's a bike shop not a social service agency. The bike shop's job is to sell bikes and bike stuff not to explain to customers why they shouldn't buy high end bike stuff.

  12. #12
    R_Z
    R_Z is offline
    Senior Member R_Z's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Memphis, TN
    Posts
    105
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Riding a bike is a personal choice. The type of bike you ride may not be the fanciest one, but on the other hand, it very well can be. It's all in what you feel comfortable riding with the money you alloted for the bike. How much you weigh, what type of clothing you wear, what type of bike and how you load it up, is the personal choice of the rider. I never quite understood why someone else felt the need to question someone's choices in life. We all have our crosses to bare.

  13. #13
    Dan J chinarider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Iron Mountain, MI
    My Bikes
    1974 Stella 10 speed, 2006 Trek Pilot 1.2
    Posts
    1,195
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I generally have no problem with people spending their money however they want. But one point came out in another thread (can't remember if it was here or over at road). A bike designed for a 145 whippet with 10% body fat and good flexibility may not work very well for a Clyde who can't touch his toes.
    1974 Stella 10 Speed
    2006 Trek Pilot 1.2

    “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.”
    Bertrand Russell

  14. #14
    Dan J chinarider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Iron Mountain, MI
    My Bikes
    1974 Stella 10 speed, 2006 Trek Pilot 1.2
    Posts
    1,195
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Here it is (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ith-Experience). Makes some sense:

    "...what's the point of a nice bike if you're carrying around a bunch of extra weight? So you can't handle five pounds on the bike, but 30 around the middle is okay? Why not save the money and spend it on a trainer or something?

    Further, it's very unlikely that really nice bike is even the right bike for you if you're overweight and/or slow. The drop is likely to be too much if you have any kind of a gut, and the wheels unsuitable for your weight. Unless your core is strong enough, the riding position is probably going to be all wrong for you - even if you're not overweight. This is why we keep seeing racing bikes on this very forum with frankly ridiculous spacer stacks. Big guy on a carbon post? Unnecessary, and asking for trouble.

    The shame of it is, if these guys would just stop shopping for racer/poseur gear and do the miles, they would simultaneously appreciate the nice gear when they need it, and know when they need it. And probably find they don't need much of it.

    But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. If some guy works hard to afford his new carbon wunderbike, it's his money to spend. Some people like riding, some people like gear. Most people like both, it's just when the pendulum swings too far one way or the other that things get a bit silly."
    1974 Stella 10 Speed
    2006 Trek Pilot 1.2

    “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.”
    Bertrand Russell

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    787
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I saw a four-hundred pound guy on a carbon TT bike on a bike path. He was undoubtedly the most uncomfortable cyclist I have ever seen. He had to swing his knees out to avoid hitting his ample abdomen. I hope the bike was borrowed from a relative for the day and that the seat post wasn't carbon. I was wondering if the bike was a reward/incentive for getting down from five-hundred pounds. I'll never know and I don't really care. On the up-side, when these folks fork out big bucks for nice equipment it means some bike shop (or internet site) did some ka-ching, which helps keep them in business to serve me, and that there is a good chance of some nice stuff showing up on Craig's list or eBay.

  16. #16
    gone ride'n cyclinfool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Upstate NY
    My Bikes
    Simoncini, Gary Fisher, Specialized Tarmac
    Posts
    4,052
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    I don't need a bike shop counseling my about my health or weight or anything except bikes (when I ask for it). I'll get the health counseling from my doc.

    I'm not the lightest guy either and I've been riding decent mileage for a long, long time. But let me say this - upgrading wheels made a huge difference for me and made gave me a lot more range and climbing ability. These would be wheels that are probably beyond my ability. Do I wait to lose weight or go out and ride and make it as easy as it can be so it's as fun as it can be? What if I intend to lose weight? Do I buy a heavier lower tech bike for my weight and then buy another one later the same year when I've lost sufficient weight and gained sufficient experience to be worthy?

    This whole nonsense about how you don't deserve a good bike until you are "worthy" or lose sufficient weight is silly. Good bikes are more fun to ride. If you want to buy the lightest bike parts and spend your last nickel on it, so what? It's your money.

    J.
    I guess I was not clear - I did not say that the bike shop should council anybody about weight loss, although there is a lot of discussion as to how a good bike shop should work with customers to get them the right bike, not necessarily the bike they came in to buy. I for one am not in retail so I won't comment on that. What I meant to say was that if anything, when asked, a person should be given good advice as to what actions will help the most. I did not say nor did I mean to insinuate that a shop should do that. Now if you read my post completely I did say I would buy better wheels just as you have and just as I have. I guess you did not get that far before outrage kicked in. Now as far as the rest of what you have said - I agree, that was what I was trying to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    Actually, I utterly disagree with everything you said except for the last sentence. It's a bike shop not a social service agency. The bike shop's job is to sell bikes and bike stuff not to explain to customers why they shouldn't buy high end bike stuff.
    See above. Thank you for agreeing with the main point I was trying to make, people should be free to make there own choices for what ever reason, my other point being that given the opportunity, those choices should be with the best available information, not sure whether or not you agree or disagree with the later half.
    "Of all the things I ever lost I miss my mind the most." Mark Twain
    If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    1,216
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by chinarider View Post
    Here it is (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ith-Experience). Makes some sense:

    "...what's the point of a nice bike if you're carrying around a bunch of extra weight? So you can't handle five pounds on the bike, but 30 around the middle is okay? Why not save the money and spend it on a trainer or something?

    Further, it's very unlikely that really nice bike is even the right bike for you if you're overweight and/or slow. The drop is likely to be too much if you have any kind of a gut, and the wheels unsuitable for your weight. Unless your core is strong enough, the riding position is probably going to be all wrong for you - even if you're not overweight. This is why we keep seeing racing bikes on this very forum with frankly ridiculous spacer stacks. Big guy on a carbon post? Unnecessary, and asking for trouble.

    The shame of it is, if these guys would just stop shopping for racer/poseur gear and do the miles, they would simultaneously appreciate the nice gear when they need it, and know when they need it. And probably find they don't need much of it.

    But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. If some guy works hard to afford his new carbon wunderbike, it's his money to spend. Some people like riding, some people like gear. Most people like both, it's just when the pendulum swings too far one way or the other that things get a bit silly."

    ... and so what? If that's one's opinion, then don't do that if one is ever in that situation, I guess. As much as others may want it to be so, the only person that gets to vote is the one writing the check. Even if someone else considers it silly.

    I guarantee you that there are a lot of people who think all "those skinny guys in skin tight lycra riding $5000 bikes" are plenty silly too. All depends on your context. In fact, I'd wager that there are a LOT more people who think that is odd if we were to put it to a poll. "He paid HOW MUCH FOR THAT BIKE?!!!!"

    J.

  18. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    1,216
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by cyclinfool View Post
    I guess I was not clear - I did not say that the bike shop should council anybody about weight loss, although there is a lot of discussion as to how a good bike shop should work with customers to get them the right bike, not necessarily the bike they came in to buy. I for one am not in retail so I won't comment on that. What I meant to say was that if anything, when asked, a person should be given good advice as to what actions will help the most. I did not say nor did I mean to insinuate that a shop should do that. Now if you read my post completely I did say I would buy better wheels just as you have and just as I have. I guess you did not get that far before outrage kicked in. Now as far as the rest of what you have said - I agree, that was what I was trying to say.



    See above. Thank you for agreeing with the main point I was trying to make, people should be free to make there own choices for what ever reason, my other point being that given the opportunity, those choices should be with the best available information, not sure whether or not you agree or disagree with the later half.
    Sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

    J.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •