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Old 09-13-11, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DnvrFox
Because there is no point to it. It is frustrating. You will not change anyone's opinion or thoughts.
But you might change someone's opinion or thoughts if those happen to include "Everyone else must think just like me!" I'm always happy to dive into the fray if for no other reason than I think it's important for people to realize that things that seem "obvious" or "self-evident" or "common sense" to them might not be to other, rational & well-reasoned people.


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I have better (and more fun/worthwhile) things to do with my time.
But you do seem to spend an awful lot of time starting new threads here in the 50+. Seems like a pretty fine line to me: Start Threads That I Think Will Cause Predictable Reactions versus Start Threads That I (presumably) Don't Think Will Cause Predictable Reactions. Meh, it's your time, carry on.


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And, mostly, I do not enjoy it.
Well, there ya go. Don't do anything you don't enjoy. I hereby allow that luxury.
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Old 09-13-11, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BengeBoy
I may have missed something, but no one has mentioned:

- "Why don't roadies wave at me when I'm riding?"
- "Double crankset or triple?"
- "Will carbon fiber explode?"
Do I wear underwear under my shorts?
Which is better Shimano or SRAM? (missing of course the superior component brand)
Why would any one ride anything but a steel bike?
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Old 09-13-11, 11:01 AM
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for some reason any thread that involves dogs always deteriorates. Mostly because someone always mentions their plan to shoot a rabid dog. And then a dog owner doesn't like the thought of their little fluffy getting shot. In fact, any thread about anyone getting in a wreck has a very good chance of getting heated. I always thought if a fellow cyclist gets injured that I should show some compassion for them, even if they were being an idiot. I usually wait to tell them what they were doing wrong until they ask "what did I do wrong?" This actually does happen on occasion, but usually people do know what they did wrong, if anything.

I urge anyone that's going to get upset by reading a thread to not read it. And if someone annoys you, put them on your ignore list. Makes this place a lot more tolerable and the mods' job a lot easier.
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Old 09-13-11, 11:17 AM
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I haven't noticed as many topics in 50+ that cause that knee jerk reaction simply by the topic, and if we have been here for any time we know what ones to avoid when we see them. It is the innocent topics that surprise us. Some simply can't seem to leave politics out of it and sooner or later the topic has to be locked. Of all of the sub forums this is normally the least political of those I have visited.
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Old 09-13-11, 11:32 AM
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I was going to ask about those old farts in lycra that wear helmets and guns while riding in the street and listening to Rush Limbaugh on their iPods. Are you suggesting I don't start that thread?
Maybe I should just ask people if they thought it was a good idea to start such a thread...
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Originally Posted by DnvrFox
Some that occur to me:

helmet threads
vehicular cycling (which should be posted in the VC sub-forum)
Gun issues
Riding apparel/lycra/shoes
Use of words like "old farts," "geezer," etc.
Almost any "political" discussion (P&R instead)

What others?
Do you avoid these threads?
Whiney roadies getting passed by triathletes.
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Old 09-13-11, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5NRH
Whiney roadies getting passed by triathletes.
good idea.

My favorites are, Passed team Garmin on my Next MTB with road tires and paniers while going up hill on my way home from the store.
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Old 09-13-11, 11:51 AM
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I love it... A thread where the subject matter is about subject matter that should never be put in a thread. Sigmund Freud would have a field day with this one.
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Old 09-13-11, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by digibud
I was going to ask about those old farts in lycra that wear helmets and guns while riding in the street and listening to Rush Limbaugh on their iPods. Are you suggesting I don't start that thread?
Maybe I should just ask people if they thought it was a good idea to start such a thread...
I have many Neutral opinions on this subject... So by all means feel free to create that thread.
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Old 09-13-11, 12:19 PM
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Hey DF, you also forgot to put Brooks Saddles on your list.

Only point I will make is that debate is not solely about trying to change someone's mind. The discourse has educational and entertainment value regardless of whether it changes any opinions.
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Old 09-13-11, 01:34 PM
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Can anybody name one that doesn't.......anybody?
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Old 09-13-11, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bionicycle
I love it... A thread where the subject matter is about subject matter that should never be put in a thread. Sigmund Freud would have a field day with this one.
Err . . . If we are thinking of the same Freud, he died a number of years back.

And here we have a post - by you - about "A thread where the subject matter is about subject matter that should never be put in a thread."

And next . . . ?

Well, actually, this post is "next." Then, what comes after that?

Maybe we will awaken Freud and he can come after all of us?
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Old 09-13-11, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
I would add:

Red Light and Stop signs (a subset of VC, I guess)
Listening to music while riding
Rearview mirrors
You beat me to it.
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Old 09-13-11, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Booger1
Can anybody name one that doesn't.......anybody?
Sure, EVERYONE knows white bikes are the fastest.
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Old 09-13-11, 02:11 PM
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Most of these topics, at least the cycling related ones, can be the subjects of useful and informative threads. For as long as a thread can be about how to choose or use clipless pedals rather than whether they are necessary for people who don't race, for as long as a thread can be about how much someone enjoys his new recumbent bike and not about whether recumbent riders are morally superior to those on upright bikes, for as long as a thread can be about an informative discussion about some aspect of cycling and not about how everyone should do just like I do and anyone who doesn't is an idiot, they can be very rewarding to read.
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Old 09-13-11, 02:14 PM
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What about the (catholic) dog driving the pick up truck with the shotgun in the rear window the wrong way in the bike lane.

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Old 09-13-11, 02:26 PM
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My choices for controversial subjects...

My choice for no. 1 controversial thread would be helmets by a big margin. Bike lanes also cause some controversy, especially if you are conversing with John Forester. Chain lube threads can also cause lively debate but I rather enjoy them. I don't think people get quite as emotional as they used to about clip-in pedals, unless you are chatting with Grant from Rivendell. I hate political threads because the media bombards us with this stuff all the time and puts their own spin on it.
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Old 09-13-11, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dguest
What about the dog driving the pick up truck with the shotgun in the rear window the wrong way in the bike lane.
And what's wrong with that..........as long as he is on a leash?
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Old 09-13-11, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent
Why not wade in. I do. My opinion is just as good as the next persons.
NO IT ISN'T. Your opinion is only worth anything if you know something about the subject being discussed. the idea that an uninformed opinion is as valid as one that is informed, is dangerous nonsense. It's the sort of thing that allows idiots to get elected.
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Old 09-13-11, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by chasm54
NO IT ISN'T. Your opinion is only worth anything if you know something about the subject being discussed. the idea that an uninformed opinion is as valid as one that is informed, is dangerous nonsense. It's the sort of thing that allows idiots to get elected.
WooHoo... nicely said!
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^^^^ WRONG! People give uninformed opinions everyday.....opinions are not facts.Opinions are sometimes based on facts.

o·pin·ion

   /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled[uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA
noun 1.a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

2.a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

The reason our elected officials get into office is because people think opinions ARE facts!

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Originally Posted by Booger1
People give uninformed opinions everyday,that's why it's called an opinion....not a fact.
And you think that means that ignorant opinions are as valid as educated ones? People are entitled to their opinions, but if they don't now what they are talking about, they aren't entitled to expect the rest of us to take them seriously.

As for facts, they're scarcer than they look. Spotting one takes judgement.
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Old 09-13-11, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DnvrFox
There are certain topics that are guaranteed to cause "knee jerk" - and usually never-ending- reactions.

Folks have generally made up their minds, and all the discussion in the world won't change their way of thinking. I can usually predict the course of the discussion, and even who will be on what side of the issue.

I try to avoid these, and sometimes I am even successful at doing that!!

Some that occur to me:

helmet threads
vehicular cycling (which should be posted in the VC sub-forum)
Gun issues
Riding apparel/lycra/shoes
Use of words like "old farts," "geezer," etc.
Almost any "political" discussion (P&R instead)

What others?
Do you avoid these threads?
You forgot the most deadly topic--way beyond politics and guns--religion!
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Old 09-13-11, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chasm54
NO IT ISN'T. Your opinion is only worth anything if you know something about the subject being discussed. the idea that an uninformed opinion is as valid as one that is informed, is dangerous nonsense. It's the sort of thing that allows idiots to get elected.
...Leading to electile dysfunction, another round of which we're all surely going to be subjected to in the coming year.
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Old 09-13-11, 03:23 PM
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... A jewel in a what? I just got finished opening a clog in my sewer. Wasn't a "Jewell" in there..... anywhere... I looked. I use the controversial threads to find those I wish to ignore. I'm sure I'm on some others' lists myself.

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