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Old 10-22-11, 07:43 AM   #1
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What's the opposite of modernising?

Olderising?

Took my lugged steel, down tube shifter, biopace triple, tourer to the shop today.

I know, I could have done the clean and service myself - it was pretty clean and serviced, in fact.

But I wanted an expert to

Straighten and file off the top seat post lug that got bent inward last time I took the bike on a plane, and now scratches into the seat post

Fit a new Brooks Swift that Santa bought me last year

Fit Brooks leather bar tape to match, over the present cork, to give a wide and squishy hand position

I'm hoping this will re-oldify my 20 year old touring companion. I get to try it on Tuesday!
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Old 10-22-11, 07:57 AM   #2
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I think I'm the opposite of modernising. I have a cell phone with a rotary dial.
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Old 10-22-11, 08:25 AM   #3
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There is nothing whatsoever wrong w/ a well-made lugged steel frame and a Brooks saddle.
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Old 10-22-11, 01:39 PM   #4
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Old 10-22-11, 03:43 PM   #5
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I ride a Gianni Motta steel,with indexed 10 speed downtube shifters,open pro wheels,Elina super pro saddle, originally built it in 83,would not trade it for any new "plastic" bike...steel is best... keep on riding yours!!!,and dont feel bad , feel proud...its the best...
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Old 10-22-11, 04:01 PM   #6
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Olderising?

Took my lugged steel, down tube shifter, biopace triple, tourer to the shop today.

I know, I could have done the clean and service myself - it was pretty clean and serviced, in fact.

But I wanted an expert to

Straighten and file off the top seat post lug that got bent inward last time I took the bike on a plane, and now scratches into the seat post

Fit a new Brooks Swift that Santa bought me last year

Fit Brooks leather bar tape to match, over the present cork, to give a wide and squishy hand position

I'm hoping this will re-oldify my 20 year old touring companion. I get to try it on Tuesday!
You my kind of people!! Brooks and all!!

The modern doesn't do much for me. I am into the vintage steel.. The vintage bikes got a ride, feel and look that the modern stuff can't touch.. And we not talking about lightness.

BTW, on of my 79 Competitions, both of them are sporting Brooks 17s,one of them is honey brown, got brown Velo leather bar tape on that one..

When you get her back, post a picture of that baby!!
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I ride a Gianni Motta steel,with indexed 10 speed downtube shifters,open pro wheels,Elina super pro saddle, originally built it in 83,would not trade it for any new "plastic" bike...steel is best... keep on riding yours!!!,and dont feel bad , feel proud...its the best...
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Old 10-22-11, 04:03 PM   #8
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Back-dating, nothing wrong with that if you love the bike.
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Old 10-22-11, 04:07 PM   #9
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I think "retro" is the word you're looking for.
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Old 10-22-11, 04:21 PM   #10
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Perhaps "luddite".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Luddism

Reform Luddism is an offshoot of Neo-Luddism and represents a personal world view skeptical of modern technology and critical of its many purported benefits.
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Old 10-22-11, 04:40 PM   #11
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Retrograding?

I don't see how you are going backwards with stuff currently in production that also fits the age of the bike.
Id' call it maintenance or upgrading depending on what was there.

I'm too cheap for Selle Royal Brooks bar tape.
They gotta pay for their marketing.
I might buy a saddle despite the higher prices.
Still glad they're made but I broke a couple sets of rails. :-(
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Old 10-22-11, 04:55 PM   #12
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Olderising?
Geezeration? "I geezerated it by tossing all that useless indexing cr ... oops, there's kids around!"
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Old 10-22-11, 05:16 PM   #13
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I have seriously considered building up a steel frame bike just for weekend coffee rides and the occasional cruise. I like my CF bike and canít see going back to steel for climbing however; but there are days when I am not on a club ride when a Steel Bike would fit the bill just as well. But one thing I simply canít see myself going back to is friction shifters and I am not sure I can live with less than a 10 speed cassette. You never know about these things but I know I never liked down tube shifters.
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Old 10-22-11, 05:50 PM   #14
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I agree with you 100% WOG and Mr. Howard (as usual.) I treasure my Brooks saddle and will always ride on a Brooks leather saddle. I ogled an ad for Adrenaline Bikes and the Torelli and Tommasini lugged steel frames and their build kits. I am seriously considering wither a classic Bottecchia frame or a custom frame I can build up with classic gruppo parts and friction shifting in particular. My Shimano grouppo with brifters is okay but a classic steel and friction shifting bike would really get my motor running.

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Old 10-22-11, 05:59 PM   #15
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Most "modernizing" in the commercial sector is intended to sell more and new products. In cycling, many of the technical inovations are useful but not necessary. Often people buy them because they have little choice. For most of my cycling life I rode bikes with downtube shifters and ten speeds. Now you're practically forced to get twenty-seven speeds and brifters if you buy a road bike. Many of us are happy with the stuff we have, but when it breaks or wears out we have to buy what's available. If everything in cycling was as it was twenty years ago, I'd be just as happy as I am now. I thought all the gear back them was pretty good, certainly good enough. Perhaps the opposite of "modernize" is "satisfy." When you're satisfied there is no need to modernize.
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Old 10-23-11, 01:56 PM   #16
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Is there something special about getting a swift put on there, or was it something you just didn't want to deal with? I ask because I'd love to try a swift at some point (though I'll probably just settle for one of the cheap knockoffs when my san marco regal finally gives up the ghost).
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Old 10-24-11, 07:43 AM   #18
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Is there something special about getting a swift put on there?
Not at all - I already had the saddle, and could have swapped it any time - but I wanted the whole retrofication at the same time - and a neat fat leather bar tape installation, and filing flat the bent seat tube lugs are both a level above my hamfistedness!
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Old 10-24-11, 10:08 AM   #20
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I think "retro" is the word you're looking for.
Going retro, exactly!
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Old 10-24-11, 10:32 AM   #21
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Olderising?

Took my lugged steel, down tube shifter, biopace triple, tourer to the shop today.

I know, I could have done the clean and service myself - it was pretty clean and serviced, in fact.

But I wanted an expert to

Straighten and file off the top seat post lug that got bent inward last time I took the bike on a plane, and now scratches into the seat post

Fit a new Brooks Swift that Santa bought me last year

Fit Brooks leather bar tape to match, over the present cork, to give a wide and squishy hand position

I'm hoping this will re-oldify my 20 year old touring companion. I get to try it on Tuesday!
Back dating? I don't think you're back dating. I transferred a Brooks B17 TI to the 85 Schwinn LeTour Luxe I have and then bought some Nashbar leather tape to match they had on sale for $32 from $55 or so. The leather tape feels wonderful, you'll love it. I Proofide the tape by the way. I had a weird thought when doing the tape and that was to overlay on top of the cotton take so the cotton would act like a sweat soaker, but I couldn't get both tapes to go inside the bar opening and get the plug to fit, so I had to take it all off and retape again without the cotton tape. Not sure if the cotton would have worked for that purpose anyways. And Brooks saddles for most people are the most comfortable and longest lasting saddles on the market, so you're not backdating, you're being practical, and in the process winning on style points.

Usually about once every 5 years I take a bike in for a pro to go over it to make sure I've done everything right and to make sure I didn't miss something, otherwise I do all my own maintenance. It took me a while to find a good LBS where I live but finally a new shop opened about 2 years ago and their great. The main big LBS in town our snobs, every time I go in there with a old bike they got some sort of remark like I need to get a new bike. Last time I went in there the king of snobs said; "Bringing it in for repair?" I said, "no, I have older bikes because they don't break"! I was wearing my biking clothes and shoes and he knew I rode it in just fine, I needed a spare tube to replace a tube I had to use.
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Old 10-24-11, 03:57 PM   #22
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Olderising?

Took my lugged steel, down tube shifter, biopace triple, tourer to the shop today.

I know, I could have done the clean and service myself - it was pretty clean and serviced, in fact.


But I wanted an expert to

Straighten and file off the top seat post lug that got bent inward last time I took the bike on a plane, and now scratches into the seat post

Fit a new Brooks Swift that Santa bought me last year

Fit Brooks leather bar tape to match, over the present cork, to give a wide and squishy hand position

I'm hoping this will re-oldify my 20 year old touring companion. I get to try it on Tuesday!
I'm confused. Another day in the garage, why'd ya let the LBS have all the fun?

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Old 10-25-11, 07:21 AM   #23
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I'd say you're just putting a little love back into an old bike that's given you lots of good memories. Good for you
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Old 10-29-11, 09:07 AM   #24
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I'd say you're just putting a little love back into an old bike that's given you lots of good memories. Good for you
Exactly, Sir. And I've had the newly olderised machine out for 3 rides since I got it back from the shop, and it just makes me chuckle like a kid with a puppy.

I knew I liked that bike. It was the best I'd owned when I bought it in 1990, after Dawes and Raleigh and Carlton. And I've donbe a lot of miles and countries on it.

Anyhow, the Brooks seat and tape have added a lot. Looks - yup, I like. Seat comfort - wow. From the first kilometer, it was an immediate 'why didn't do that before'

I have spent the weekend trying to add photos. I'm not the most tech savvy, but it wasn't a problem before. Now, flickr and photo bucket ' not available..'

Maybe every social media is a bit curtailed where I am. However, I'm pretty please with the additions and alterations to a bike I've loved for 21 years
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