And another thing.....wheels
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And another thing.....wheels
Couple people responding to my last post got me thinking about wheels.
Is there a wheels for dummies somewhere on BF? Too many unfamilar terms. I'd like to be able to understand what's being discussed.
Is there a wheels for dummies somewhere on BF? Too many unfamilar terms. I'd like to be able to understand what's being discussed.
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You'll probably be better off asking a more specific question.
Do it quickly because some of that technology is changing faster than my ability to understand and figure out how to explain it.
Do it quickly because some of that technology is changing faster than my ability to understand and figure out how to explain it.
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Google "Sheldon Brown, wheels".
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You will find that some of us have a fetish for wheels and I am of those throwing a bit of "Worry" your way.
Standard stock wheels that come with a new bike are normally one of the "Downgrades" that manufacturers make to keep a bike to a price level--Unless you are buying near the top of the range where good will come as standard. Those stock wheels are perfectly good but in some circumstances "CAN" be improved on. They may not be the best type for a Clyde and you could think you are bordering on that level. They may not be built strong enough and tend to go out of true under the weight or even start breaking spokes due to inferior build and quality. Besides this--They may have a "Bling" quality built into them with fancy spoke patterns or fewer spokes and have an inherent fault with them. Don't get too hung up on standard wheels though- unless you run into problems- as most of them are adequate for the job.
However- the best improvement- and possibly the cheapest for improvement- is fitting some decent wheels. They come in all types and prices and for different uses. You can spend a fortune on a lightweight set of wheels made of fancy materials that will not give YOU an improvement and will possibly not be good enough for your use. There are plenty of manufacturers out there and Although I may like a particular make and model of a wheel- it may not suit you.
There is a wheel that is accepted as a good standard for a good wheel and that is a hand-built wheel from a specialist wheel-builder. Plenty of them about and there is a standard of wheel that is accepted as being good. Starting off with the hub and a Shimano hub-Either Ultegra or 105-will be a good basis. Spokes are normally from a good manufacturer and the rim is normally a "Mavic" Pro or Open Pro model. Using these parts you will have a known quality of wheel that performs and is reliable. Perhaps not the lightest around but a good compromise.
Lots more to learn on wheels and everyone has their own views and opinions but hopefully you now have an insight into where your money will be going in a year or so. Plenty of learn on terminology but all you have to do is ask here and you will get an answer. Maybe not the right one but it will get answered. But still a question to you
What Pie?--You will learn about that one soon enough.
Standard stock wheels that come with a new bike are normally one of the "Downgrades" that manufacturers make to keep a bike to a price level--Unless you are buying near the top of the range where good will come as standard. Those stock wheels are perfectly good but in some circumstances "CAN" be improved on. They may not be the best type for a Clyde and you could think you are bordering on that level. They may not be built strong enough and tend to go out of true under the weight or even start breaking spokes due to inferior build and quality. Besides this--They may have a "Bling" quality built into them with fancy spoke patterns or fewer spokes and have an inherent fault with them. Don't get too hung up on standard wheels though- unless you run into problems- as most of them are adequate for the job.
However- the best improvement- and possibly the cheapest for improvement- is fitting some decent wheels. They come in all types and prices and for different uses. You can spend a fortune on a lightweight set of wheels made of fancy materials that will not give YOU an improvement and will possibly not be good enough for your use. There are plenty of manufacturers out there and Although I may like a particular make and model of a wheel- it may not suit you.
There is a wheel that is accepted as a good standard for a good wheel and that is a hand-built wheel from a specialist wheel-builder. Plenty of them about and there is a standard of wheel that is accepted as being good. Starting off with the hub and a Shimano hub-Either Ultegra or 105-will be a good basis. Spokes are normally from a good manufacturer and the rim is normally a "Mavic" Pro or Open Pro model. Using these parts you will have a known quality of wheel that performs and is reliable. Perhaps not the lightest around but a good compromise.
Lots more to learn on wheels and everyone has their own views and opinions but hopefully you now have an insight into where your money will be going in a year or so. Plenty of learn on terminology but all you have to do is ask here and you will get an answer. Maybe not the right one but it will get answered. But still a question to you
What Pie?--You will learn about that one soon enough.
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Then let me ask this of those who are knowledgeable........opinions about Easton Orion II's? These are the wheels that came with my Masi Gran Criterium S. I know little about the various wheels out there these days. FWIW, they are used for fitness on a 17 lb. bike and I weigh 180-185 in season. TIA
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They're fine wheels. I have a set of Eastons that came on my Cervelo R3 over 5 years ago. They have been my main set of training wheels (until I got a PowerTap rear a few years back, but I still use the front Easton) I've had to have a couple bearings replaced and true the rear a couple times but that's it. That's good for me- I ride a lot and I kill rear wheels. It's normal for me to rebuilt a rear wheel every year (it was even less when I was using Open Pro rims- they suck) and retrue every month or two.
The problem with the Eastons is that they use proprietary spokes that thread into the hubs. If you break one you can't just go to the LBS and get a replacement, and if they break at the wrong place it can be difficult to get the spoke end out of the hub.
The "cheap" wheels that come with good bikes aren't bad wheels, they're just heavy and/or not as aerodynamic as expensive wheels. But they make perfectly fine training wheels, and if you are not racing you don't need expensive racing wheels.
The problem with the Eastons is that they use proprietary spokes that thread into the hubs. If you break one you can't just go to the LBS and get a replacement, and if they break at the wrong place it can be difficult to get the spoke end out of the hub.
The "cheap" wheels that come with good bikes aren't bad wheels, they're just heavy and/or not as aerodynamic as expensive wheels. But they make perfectly fine training wheels, and if you are not racing you don't need expensive racing wheels.
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Your over thinking it, bikes come with wheels, if they fail, then replace them with something that fits your needs better.
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My Eastons came with the bike when I got it five yrs. ago. I've never had to rebuild them and have trued them about once a yr. I don't really keep track of my annual mileage but I'd guess an average year is 1500 miles. I spend a fair amount of time on my Ducati and that keeps me off the Masi.
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My Eastons came with the bike when I got it five yrs. ago. I've never had to rebuild them and have trued them about once a yr. I don't really keep track of my annual mileage but I'd guess an average year is 1500 miles. I spend a fair amount of time on my Ducati and that keeps me off the Masi.
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Saw a set of ZIPP wheels for sale on CL. Seller said 'he couldn't control them'. Any idea what he means?
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Deep section aero wheels catch side winds. In my experience it's usually no big deal except when riding no hands, but there's been a few times on mountain descents where I've been blown around quite a bit.
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My Eastons came with the bike when I got it five yrs. ago. I've never had to rebuild them and have trued them about once a yr. I don't really keep track of my annual mileage but I'd guess an average year is 1500 miles. I spend a fair amount of time on my Ducati and that keeps me off the Masi.
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My view of wheels that come with the bike is to ride them until they need to be replaced. After doing so I have a much better idea of what I liked and didn't like about them. It makes talking with knowledge people in a shop much easier when I can say things like, "The wheels I have now seem harsh." Or, "These wheels seem to flex too much when climbing." Or, "These wheels keep going out of true and I keep breaking spokes." With that said, as your riding gets more specialized the wheel choice does indeed become more important. But, for right now, I'm with Wogster. Ride what's on it.
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Actually, looking for a glossary that tells what those terms are and the differences. But those would be the questions of the day.
Interested in wheels for a road bike, not MTB.
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Tubulars are a pain if you get a flat, you have to carry a spare tire and peel the flat one off.
Most bicycle wheels are aluminum but more and more carbon rims are becoming available. Some of the lightest wheels on the market, and most expensive, are carbon tubulars.
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When I'm on a motorcycle I'm a "biker." When on the Masi a "cyclist." But, when I'm on the Ducati I'm a "Ducatista." In May of '10 I did a 1,000 mi. day on the Duc after a rally in TN. Funny thing...I just realized that both the Ducati and the Masi are a gun metal grey with red wheels/tires. Strange 'cause I'm not really partial to that color scheme. Hmm. (attached pic is before I ended up with the red stripe tires.)
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Here is a link to the major topics at Sheldon Brown's site. these are just the highlights, you should just mark his home page and have all of his wisdom available to you.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread....com-shortcuts
https://sheldonbrown.com/home.html
Hope these links helps some, I depend on them and my Lennard Zinn's Zinn and theAart of Road Bike Maintenance and his Zinn' s Bicycling Primer, for information on bicycles. Also get a Park's Big Blue Book
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https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread....com-shortcuts
https://sheldonbrown.com/home.html
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Good.
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Here is a link to the major topics at Sheldon Brown's site. these are just the highlights, you should just mark his home page and have all of his wisdom available to you.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread....com-shortcuts
https://sheldonbrown.com/home.html
Hope these links helps some, I depend on them and my Lennard Zinn's Road Bike Maintenance and his Zen of Bicycle Maintenance, for information on bicycles.
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https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread....com-shortcuts
https://sheldonbrown.com/home.html
Hope these links helps some, I depend on them and my Lennard Zinn's Road Bike Maintenance and his Zen of Bicycle Maintenance, for information on bicycles.
Bill
I keep forgetting about Sheldon's website (I know blasphemy!).
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