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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    Well, I visited a couple of LBS today. Didn't get to ride anything, but checked out a couple of bikes.

    At the Trek store, all the 2011s are gone (in my size). The 2012 bike that sort of fits my budget is the 2.1, which does come with 105s, and it's a triple. I'm thinking I want to go with a compact double this time around. The 2.1 is just under $1,400.

    At another store, I got pretty impressed with a 2011 Specialized Secteur Elite Apex (who names these things?) which lists at $1,450 but is marked down to $1,250. They DO have a 56 in a box, so they're putting it together for me to ride on Friday.

    This bike reminds me (based on looks and geometry) very much of my Roubiax. In fact, the dealer says it IS a Roubaix on an aluminum frame, with carbon fork. All the Roubaix these days are full carbon bikes, which is how they got out of my price range. It doesn't have Zertz inserts, except in the fork.

    Stock bike has SRAM rather than 105s. It's a compact double.

    It's even largely WHITE!

    I want to give it a good ride and compare it to a Giant Defy 1 and 2, which I've yet to see. The Specialized store sells both, but my favorite LBS also carries Giant (and that's where I looked at the Surly). I'd also consider Cannondale and Felt, but they're much harder to find out here. Maybe even Janis, but same story.
    Check out Performance. They have a lot of white bikes. The Defy is the Roubaix of the Giant line. They used to call them plush. Jamis has some nice bikes in the Ventura line. They tend to be set up more in the comfort style as well. And people not living in weather paradise like SD don't realize you hardly ever need fenders. Cycopath in Temecula closed and all their bikes were half priced. Yes I missed it as well but there it is.
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    Here's my entry level bike; steel frame with 105 shifters & derailleurs. It's been a great bike.
    http://bikesdirect.com/products/schw..._legacy_xi.htm

    This bike is aluminum with relaxed geo, I thought the bike rode really nice, much smoother then an Allez.
    http://www.cannondale.com/2012/bikes...se-5-105-19928

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    I'm late to the thread, but allow me to second the Defy 1. The Defy was my first entry into road bikes since a Schwinn I owned in the 80's. I have found it reliable and a pleasure to ride. I do not have the 2012 model. Nor is it white:


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    LHT? It's all I ride. And you can ride it just about anywhere. Put on fat tires for snow or gravel roads. Put on knobbies for dirt and rocks. I ride 38's (Paselas) all the time, pretty much anywhere I want to go.
    Put on racks to haul stuff. Put on fenders when it's raining.
    It has bar end shifters- don't know how you'll take to those after brifters.
    If you are of the mindset that bike weight determines speed instead of rider determines speed, then look elsewhere. I ride with a guy on a Madone 6.9. Pi$$es him off all the time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    My question is - if I opt for a low-end road bike, given my experience and memories of the Roubaix, will I be disappointed with the components - or, has everything gotten just a bit better since I left the scene?
    Buy a bike-boom era Schwinn Varsity at a yard sale and ride that for 4-6 months. Then even a Fuji Newest 4.0 will seem like a space ship.
    "When man first set woman on two wheels with a pair of pedals, did he know, I wonder, that he had rent the veil of the harem in twain? A woman on a bicycle has all the world before her where to choose; she can go where she will, no man hindering." The Typewriter Girl, 1899.

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    You know, this is a good point. I'm going to test ride a few literally entry level road bikes as well. I can always N+1 in a year or so, and save some money right now. I know in the long run that's more money but in the long run I'll be rich, so...

    Geesh, I'm all over the board. Not that I haven't been THERE before.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    Buy a bike-boom era Schwinn Varsity at a yard sale and ride that for 4-6 months. Then even a Fuji Newest 4.0 will seem like a space ship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    At the Trek store, all the 2011s are gone (in my size). The 2012 bike that sort of fits my budget is the 2.1, which does come with 105s, and it's a triple. I'm thinking I want to go with a compact double this time around. The 2.1 is just under $1,400.
    Good idea going with a compact double. Most people don't need triples unless you do occasional tours really loaded. Compacts provide 18 or 20 gear combinatins (depending upon the specific setup) and a good range. They aren't as finicky as triples and ensure smooth and easy shifts all the time.

    I got a compact on my cyclocross and the difference between the prior triples I've had before is night and day.
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    Geesh, I'm all over the board.
    Really? Hadn't noticed.

    Good to have you back.

    My Bro is having a whole lot of fun from a Jamis Bosa Nova. He says its quick on the roads and will do trails comfortably

    Chat much soon, enjoyed your lines here

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    Did good in the past year. Bought a left over new Specialized Allez for $759. Found a nice, barely used Cannondale Caffeine 29er Lefty mountain bike for $800. I'm set for a number of years. Wanting for nothing else. As I look at it: 2 bikes for the price of one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    At another store, I got pretty impressed with a 2011 Specialized Secteur Elite Apex (who names these things?) which lists at $1,450 but is marked down to $1,250. They DO have a 56 in a box, so they're putting it together for me to ride on Friday.

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    DG my friend sat first on the Trek 3.1 Apex . She liked the color and I liked the components but she didn't like the Apex shifters. I have to admit since I've always used Shimano would take a bit to get used to them myself. Once you sit on the bike let me know what you think of those shifters...

    Man I like that Giant Defy triple... wish I could get my friend over to Performance - she refused to go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbadwullf View Post
    I have a Specialized Allez. I think it's a great value for what you get. Does all I want or can do. Sora/ Tiagra components.

    I don't call a bike that comes with 105 or a carbon bike "entry level" but that is just me.
    I think the term applied as "entry level" is "entry level racer". Shimano 105 has long been regarded as the lowest priced race worthy component line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatW View Post
    I think the term applied as "entry level" is "entry level racer". Shimano 105 has long been regarded as the lowest priced race worthy component line.
    So, when last year's 105 becomes next year's Tiagra, will it suddenly stop being "race worthy"?
    The more you ride your bike, the less your ass will hurt.

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    Found this one on Craigslist. Since I've already got one black bike, the color isn't especially appealing, but that's lower on my list of priorities than components, budget, etc. I've never ridden a Felt. It's my size, pending a test ride. Might have to contact this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatW View Post
    I think the term applied as "entry level" is "entry level racer". Shimano 105 has long been regarded as the lowest priced race worthy component line.
    Was just going by the title of the post. Guess that's where I went wrong

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    Specialized makes a great entry level road bike that the guys at Bicycling Magazine gush over it's called the Specialized Allez http://www.bicycling.com/gearfinderp...ail?gfid=13479 try it out, good luck in your search. Phil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    Found this one on Craigslist. Since I've already got one black bike, the color isn't especially appealing, but that's lower on my list of priorities than components, budget, etc. I've never ridden a Felt. It's my size, pending a test ride. Might have to contact this guy.

    Felt z85 2011
    There are constants in the world and you are one of them. I am surprised you didn't say entry level white road bikes. The Felt is a fine bike and not everyone has one. At that price you will score a bike that will fit right in with the rest of the San Diego road group. Plus you don't have to worry about rust with the Felt in that Salty Sea air. Good to see you back.
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    Felt z 85 is a nice bike, also the Specialized secteur is very nice for the money , with some of the stongest wheels/tire set up, good luck.
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