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    There are some very smart people in the world...

    ...but not enough of them work for the government. Two illustrations:

    It's downright hilarious that the 'anonymous' hacking group was able to publish a recording of conference call between the FBI and the UK police, with the topic of the cll being, you guessed it, how to track down said hacking group.

    After spending lots of time and lots of money investigating Lance Armstrong, a great athlete that everyone knows also doped, they have decided not to file charges.

    I was proven wrong by the second item, as I felt sure they would eventually file charges. That probably means I'm wrong about Alberto, which is good, because if I am, he will be in this year's TdF.
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    In the case of the FBI, it's probably more a matter of arrogance than anything else. Or perhaps they forgot that hacking began with the phone preaks of the 70s.

    Either way--and I say this as a government employee--the brightest bulbs in the pack generally aren't those who make the decisions. The stories I could tell…
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    Another example of the perpetual truth of the Peter Principle; I've managed to defeat it by rejecting 'upward mobility' with my employer. I personally can't stand not being productive on the job, so I stay where I know I'm 'overqualified'. (Wouldn't be enough extra pay to make up for the stress, either,....)

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    I think you could say the same thing about any industry/business/enterprise. But then again, if only I were king...
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    The only difference between "government work" and "private enterprise" is the first one does not go bankrupt but both enterprises are made of humans and we know too well how fallible they can be.

    If I were to recommend one thing is that government employees should have a time limit in their position or working for the government!

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    News flash: after millennia of evolution, Man is still basically a dumb-ass, and always will be. If an institution involves human participation, it will be prone to error. The more powerful the institution it is, and the more clever the leaders imagine themselves to be, the more grievous their errors will be.

    Why anyone would believe otherwise is way beyond me, yet they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    News flash: after millennia of evolution, Man is still basically a dumb-ass, and always will be. If an institution involves human participation, it will be prone to error. The more powerful the institution it is, and the more clever the leaders imagine themselves to be, the more grievous their errors will be.

    Why anyone would believe otherwise is way beyond me, yet they do.
    Also...aren't we the only species that kill for pleasure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis View Post
    Also...aren't we the only species that kill for pleasure?
    No, there are some big cats that kill for pleasure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
    No, there are some big cats that kill for pleasure.
    Any hunter will hunt even without the immediate need of food. There's probably a biological imperative to stay in practice, and to get pleasure from the hunt itself. Even a standard house cat kills for pleasure.

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    I believe we could find some private sector snafus, and evil, if we looked around a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billydonn View Post
    I believe we could find some private sector snafus, and evil, if we looked around a little.

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    Let me be the first...


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    The ARE some very smart people in the world. There are also some very DUMB people. I encountered two of them today.
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    George Carlin said something like.. think about how dumb the average person is. Now think about the fact that half the people in the world are dumber than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
    No, there are some big cats that kill for pleasure.
    Just big cats? Man, you should see the murderous joy that our local tabby cats experience whilst hunting birds, mice, voles, baby rabbits.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
    Just big cats? Man, you should see the murderous joy that our local tabby cats experience whilst hunting birds, mice, voles, baby rabbits.....
    and feet. My cat use to attack our feet when we walked by the bed.

    There have been recorded cases of wild chimps attacking & killing other chimps.
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    The private sector is certainly also capable of some supremely embarrassing gaffs. You just wish the FBI could be a bit more 'with it' than they appear to be. They've spent billions of (our) dollars on failed or abandoned IT initiatives. But then, they can't issue "FBI Stock Options" to attract the best and brightest in computer science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VNA View Post
    The only difference between "government work" and "private enterprise" is the first one does not go bankrupt ......................
    Not precisely true. If you are Bank of America or Wall St. and own the government you won't go bankrupt either.
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    Washington has been declared an intelligence free zone for years!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    The private sector is certainly also capable of some supremely embarrassing gaffs. You just wish the FBI could be a bit more 'with it' than they appear to be. They've spent billions of (our) dollars on failed or abandoned IT initiatives. But then, they can't issue "FBI Stock Options" to attract the best and brightest in computer science.
    I think the "Anonymous" hackers are out of work and have time on their hands.

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    Has the Foo Forum been moved here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis View Post
    Also...aren't we the only species that kill for pleasure?
    My cats will take an hour or two to kill a small critter unfortunate enough to draw their attention. It is hard to tell if killing the animal is their intent, but it usually winds up dead. And they aren't hungry, they won't eat their kill.

    Did you ever see a killer whale with a seal? They may eventually eat the seal, but they will play with it quite a while before they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VNA View Post
    The only difference between "government work" and "private enterprise" is the first one does not go bankrupt but both enterprises are made of humans and we know too well how fallible they can be.

    If I were to recommend one thing is that government employees should have a time limit in their position or working for the government!
    I have worked in private industry, but I now work for the government under contract and IMO the main problem with government workers is a lack of incentive not that they are dumb or lazy. That said, it is easier for a dumb or lazy person to hide in a government position.

    To get this on topic, if a bike rider doesn't pedal, he won't get far. A stoker who is not pedaling won't be riding much.

    An employee in private industry who doesn't do his job, will likely be replaced.

    If a government employee doesn't do his job, they will hire him some help or delay the schedule. Only a complete screw up will get him fired.

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