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    Bicyclist Kills Pedestrian

    I also posted this article in A&S but do it here as well since the responses are generally more rational and congenial here. Also, the deceased is in the 55+ category. From my local news paper the Honolulu Star Advertiser April 2, 2012:

    Bicyclist kills pedestrian, 80
    An 80-year-old woman died early Sunday morning after she was struck in a Hotel Street crosswalk by a bicyclist who ran a red light, police said.
    An Emergency Medical Services spokesman said the woman sustained head injuries Saturday alter falling to the pavement and was taken to the Queen's Medical Center
    in critical condition. She died of her injuries
    at 2:21 a.m., police said.
    The woman had been walking north in a crosswalk on Hotel Street when she was hit
    by the bicyclist, who disregarded a red signal while traveling east on Hotel Street, police said.
    Hawaii News Now, citing the Honolulu Medical Examiner's Office, identified her as Dionicia Leoning.
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    That's really sad. Unfortunately, the way a lot of people ride around my town, I'm surprised I don't see more stories like that in the news. I've been nearly run down walking in a crosswalk twice and had wrong way bike riders nearly take me out on a couple of occasions when riding, one of those times the guy had blown through a red light at the same time. A couple of years ago, I put a post in the commuting forum about some observations I made in my town. It's the long one about half the page down. Things haven't changed much in the last couple of years.

    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ghlight=survey

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    Run a light or stop sign and kill someone, then it's vehicular homicide. What you are driving or riding doesn't enter into it.

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    I hope the next of kin find the perp and slap him with a huge wrongful death lawsuit. This amazingly common idea that cyclists should be exempt from stop lights is just wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlazingPedals View Post
    I hope the next of kin find the perp and slap him with a huge wrongful death lawsuit. This amazingly common idea that cyclists should be exempt from stop lights is just wrong!
    I agree that cyclists should obey all traffic laws. However, it is my experience that most folks ride like they drive. When I see a cyclists blow through a stop sign, I'm thankful he/she is on a bike rather than driving several tons of steel in that manner.

    Just yesterday while walking to my local grocery store I watched a motorist go through a stop sign at 30 mph in a 20 mph zone. Cross traffic has no stop at this intersection, but one-half block up the road I watched a car blow through that stop sign at 30 mph. But for the timing (about four seconds off), this could have easily been a fatal situation for at least one of the scofflaw motorists.

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    There is considerable evidence that large segments of the human race is functionally stupid. This condition pertains across the economic/educational spectrum.

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    Guys who blow red lights (and don't even slow down at stop signs) are not "cyclists" in my book. They are peds on bikes. Critical Massholes.

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    How fast does an 80-year old woman walk anyway? I can't believe she just suddenly sprang out there in front of the cyclist, without giving him a chance to react. How many kinds of stupid must a guy like that be?
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    This is a very sad story with ironic features (i.e., a "man bites dog" story). Usually pedestrians, bicyclists, and other
    motorists suffer serious injuries when a motorist runs a red light or stop sign. In this case a cyclist allegedly ran
    a red light and killed a pedestrian.

    This case highlights why cyclists are considered (by all the state motor vehicle codes I know of) to be riding on
    "vehicles" and are obligated to follow the "rules of the road." That includes obeying traffic signals and signs, and
    yielding the right of way to pedestrians and those on other vehicles. In most cases the cyclist who ignores the
    rules of the road will be exposed to the risk of injury/death when he experiences an "accident." In this case it seems
    to be that a pedestrian got the worse of the "accident."

    This cyclist would certainly be subject to a civil "wrongful death" lawsuit. Since he violated traffic codes, he could also
    be subject to a criminal charge of "vehicular homicide" or at least "negligent homicide." If he happened to be intoxicated
    at the time of the "accident," he could face additional criminal charges of DUI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xizangstan View Post
    How fast does an 80-year old woman walk anyway? I can't believe she just suddenly sprang out there in front of the cyclist, without giving him a chance to react. How many kinds of stupid must a guy like that be?
    According to the San Francisco Chronicle, his Strava app recording him as doing 35 mph at the time. The intersection was at the bottom of a steep hill.

    Apparently his description of the accident was.

    "The light turned yellow as I was approaching the intersection, but I was already way too committed to stop. The light turned red as I was cruising through the middle of the intersection and then, almost instantly, the southern crosswalk on Market and Castro filled up with people coming from both directions, … so, in a nutshell, blammo."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    According to the San Francisco Chronicle, his Strava app recording him as doing 35 mph at the time. The intersection was at the bottom of a steep hill.

    Apparently his description of the accident was.

    "The light turned yellow as I was approaching the intersection, but I was already way too committed to stop. The light turned red as I was cruising through the middle of the intersection and then, almost instantly, the southern crosswalk on Market and Castro filled up with people coming from both directions, … so, in a nutshell, blammo."
    An 80-year-old woman walked that fast?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condorita View Post
    An 80-year-old woman walked that fast?
    I read that as he was distracted making sure the motorists with the green light didn't get him and when he looked up, the crosswalk was filled with pedestrians. When he then tried to blast through the pedestrians, the 80 year old was the only one not quick enough to avoid him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte_speed View Post
    I read that as he was distracted making sure the motorists with the green light didn't get him and when he looked up, the crosswalk was filled with pedestrians. When he then tried to blast through the pedestrians, the 80 year old was the only one not quick enough to avoid him.
    I guess he never heard of brakes? Not many hills here, but I've seen cyclist come down bridges at a very fast speed and have near collisions all the time. It's fun coming down a grade at a fast rate of speed, but you have to be safe while doing it. Regardless, the least charge that he should get is failure to keep a vehicle under control. Charges of vehicular homicide will require some other determining factors. In either case, there is definitely enough civil liability for the family to take him to court.
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    This happened on a Saturday night apparently at Fort Street Mall on Hotel Street. That date/time and location make it likely that the cyclist was a homeless person. Less likely would be a utility cyclist. Extremely unlikely are commuter or recreational cyclist.

    http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/1...-bicycle-crash

    Fort Street Mall is an old road that has been cobble stoned and turned into a wide pedestrian mall (no bicycles allowed). The pedestrian crosswalk across Hotel Street is 40 feet wide.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fort+S...aii+96813&z=21
    (if you do not have an direct overhead view, pull down traffic button and click 45 degree off)

    Hotel Street use to be the main Honolulu location for hookers to apply their trade. As I understand it, to move the hookers out of the area, Hotel Street was turned into a bus and bicycle only road. The lights are timed for the buses and when the Fort Street Mall light goes yellow, a cyclist does not have time to make it through the 40 foot crosswalk before the light turns red unless they are doing over 20 mph. The pedestrians often only look for buses and step into the road before their walk signal comes on. Cyclist on Hotel Street have to be extra careful to avoid hitting pedestrians.

    Side story: about one month ago I had to ride down the street at about 10 mph, visually surveying environmental issues along Hotel Street. The light turned yellow right as I got to the stop line. I only made it half way through the cross walk before pedestrians stepped out and I had to stop midway in the crosswalk. Out of the corner of my eye I see a 20 something guy coming from the other side of Fort Street Mall intentionally walking right at me. He stops right next to me and gives it “Your blocking the crosswalk”. I simply told him to “Stop being stupid”. My stopped six feet of bicycle was a major issue for him in a 40 foot wide crosswalk, oh well.

    A couple blocks down, it is always a challenge to avoid hitting J-walking lawyers crossing Hotel Street between their high rise offices and the court house.

    So is this an example of a rouge red light running cyclist killing people - not likely. Is this an example of a cyclist (homeless or not) and pedestrians not using the extra care that this pedestrian crossing needs - yes. Is this another example of the city not properly timing traffic lights to include cyclist and thus endangering everyone - absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    According to the San Francisco Chronicle, his Strava app recording him as doing 35 mph at the time. The intersection was at the bottom of a steep hill.

    Apparently his description of the accident was.

    "The light turned yellow as I was approaching the intersection, but I was already way too committed to stop. The light turned red as I was cruising through the middle of the intersection and then, almost instantly, the southern crosswalk on Market and Castro filled up with people coming from both directions, … so, in a nutshell, blammo."
    You guys are now confusing a San Francisco death with this thread that happened in Honolulu. Two different stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_V View Post
    I guess he never heard of brakes? Not many hills here, but I've seen cyclist come down bridges at a very fast speed and have near collisions all the time. It's fun coming down a grade at a fast rate of speed, but you have to be safe while doing it. Regardless, the least charge that he should get is failure to keep a vehicle under control. Charges of vehicular homicide will require some other determining factors. In either case, there is definitely enough civil liability for the family to take him to court.
    No hills involved in the Honolulu story that this thread is about.
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    Thanks for giving us the full and complete story. A person should not make up there mind to early before knowing all the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    You guys are now confusing a San Francisco death with this thread that happened in Honolulu. Two different stories.
    My bad. It's unusual to have two such similar incidents so close together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    My bad. It's unusual to have two such similar incidents so close together.
    Very true. When I saw the thread for the San Francisco death, I thought they got the city wrong until I read the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Very true. When I saw the thread for the San Francisco death, I thought they got the city wrong until I read the link.

    I had just seen the S.F incident on Yahoo, and assumed that you were giving a report on it from the Honolulu source. As the Australian saying goes, Assumptions are the mother of all F.U.s
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    1,000 or so cyclists killed by motorists every year, and they concentrate on the few pedestrians that get hit by bicyclists. When I see what some of the pedestrians do around bicycles, it's a wonder there aren't a lot more collisions. The most common thing I see, people who don't look before they charge across a street, they listen for the cacophony of a motor vehicle, when they don't hear it they charge out. I think hybrid cars take out more then bicycles do every year, because they don't hear those either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomD77 View Post
    Run a light or stop sign and kill someone, then it's vehicular homicide. What you are driving or riding doesn't enter into it.
    +1 with a few minor modifications. The issue is that a life was lost as a result of the actions of another. The methods or vehicles in use are less important that the fact that laws/rules designed to keep folks safe were violated. One hopes the actions were not intentional, and one hopes that the actions will not repeat themselves by those who tend to mirror them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogster View Post
    1,000 or so cyclists killed by motorists every year, and they concentrate on the few pedestrians that get hit by bicyclists. When I see what some of the pedestrians do around bicycles, it's a wonder there aren't a lot more collisions. The most common thing I see, people who don't look before they charge across a street, they listen for the cacophony of a motor vehicle, when they don't hear it they charge out. I think hybrid cars take out more then bicycles do every year, because they don't hear those either.
    Well, actually, in this case I was rather surprised that it didn't get more coverage. We are a small state with an average of around 50 road fatalities a year, so every one usually gets pretty substantial coverage but this just warranted a few paragraphs buried in the local section. The newspaper coverage will typically say "this was the xxth pedestrian fatality this year versus xx last year" but didn't in this case. So, no, it wasn't a case of more coverage because a bicycle was involved but rather the opposite.

    As for the hybrids, those pedestrians are sitting ducks for my Nissan Leaf. Actually, the ducks are sitting ducks ... for some reason I have a lot more close calls with birds when I'm driving the electric car.
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