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Old 01-07-05, 06:24 AM   #1
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Is this the "one foot in the grave" forum or the whiners forum?

I get so tired of reading posts that discuss aches and pains and surgery complications and all the meds being taken and "I can't this" or "I can't that"! This is a bicycle discussion forum.
If you're going to ride a bike, there will be soreness and aches and pains in the beginning but it will go away.
If you have "legitimate" back problems - that's allowable. But how many have back problems because of an oversized gut? Get rid of the gut and the back problems will probably go away.
Exercise and weight loss may reduce or eliminate prescribed meds so we can end that discussion.
How do you know you can't ride a road bike or a mountain bike. Bend over and try it.

Now let's get back to the bike discussions.
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Its one of the minor pleasures and perks of approaching elderhood to be able to readily match one's aches, pains and illnesses with one's peers

Suddenly WE are the aunts and uncles who, when we were kids would tell of their bladder probs, or denture aches, or rheumytize.

I tune out the threads concerned with it all and go on to other more pertinent threads.

With the elderly one can't blank them out completely for sev reasons...they have GREAT bilt in appitudes for child caring when one wants to get away from the li'l B-------ds for some personal R&R, and to be quite frank the oldsters here have had some experiences that are funny or informative

I mean the jokes they can pass one to us while heard undergoing a hip replacement, or cataract removal are priceless, and weight problems, why my gracious Miz Molly, they are endless, and hilarious, why just the other day in the supermercado I saw a patron in one of the electric shopping carts, at least 2 axe handles wide in the bottom, loading the basket with fritos,REAL ice cream, not the lo-cal, no sugar kind, loaves of WHITE bread,gosh was I jealous

In a decade or two, Ron, quess what?, YOU are going to be the enemy

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I get so tired of reading posts that discuss aches and pains and surgery complications and all the meds being taken and "I can't this" or "I can't that"! This is a bicycle discussion forum.
If you're going to ride a bike, there will be soreness and aches and pains in the beginning but it will go away.
If you have "legitimate" back problems - that's allowable. But how many have back problems because of an oversized gut? Get rid of the gut and the back problems will probably go away.
Exercise and weight loss may reduce or eliminate prescribed meds so we can end that discussion.
How do you know you can't ride a road bike or a mountain bike. Bend over and try it.

Now let's get back to the bike discussions.
Good morning, RonH!

Having a great day?
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I get so tired of reading posts that discuss aches and pains and surgery complications and all the meds being taken and "I can't this" or "I can't that"! This is a bicycle discussion forum.
If you're going to ride a bike, there will be soreness and aches and pains in the beginning but it will go away.
If you have "legitimate" back problems - that's allowable. But how many have back problems because of an oversized gut? Get rid of the gut and the back problems will probably go away.
Exercise and weight loss may reduce or eliminate prescribed meds so we can end that discussion.
How do you know you can't ride a road bike or a mountain bike. Bend over and try it.

Now let's get back to the bike discussions.

You might be Ron out of town on this one.
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I have a friend with whom I used to go riding at least once a week. Lately, I have kinda been avoiding riding with him. Every ride involves long, detailed discussions of his various ailments. And, detailed stories of his visits to the doctor, and what happened at the pharmacy. This treatment versus that treatment. Boring at best. Depressing at worst.

And, on the whole, his health is as good as most guys born during the Truman era. His health allowed him to ride his bike more than 300 days last year. Lots of teen-agers would be be happy to be as healthy or as fit as this guy.

It is productive to ask: "how can I set up my bike to reduce stress on my hands and wrists?" It is NOT productive to endlessly complain about the pain, while not really seeking any solutions.

I have been VERY lucky with my health. My only good opportunity to "whine" came after an auto accident damaged my back. Terrible pain. Could not use one arm. Could not use one leg. I quickly discovered none of my friends wanted to hear about it. I was a bit stung by their intense lack of interest in my suffering...but...I have never been much interested in hearing about THEIR suffering either.

So, I would hope people feel free to ask "Does treatment A seem to help a swollen knee better than treatment B?" But, I suspect there is not a lot of interest in just hearing complaints about swollen knees, unrelated to a search for solutions.
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I get so tired of reading posts that discuss aches and pains and surgery complications and all the meds being taken and "I can't this" or "I can't that"! This is a bicycle discussion forum.
If you're going to ride a bike, there will be soreness and aches and pains in the beginning but it will go away.
If you have "legitimate" back problems - that's allowable. But how many have back problems because of an oversized gut? Get rid of the gut and the back problems will probably go away.
Exercise and weight loss may reduce or eliminate prescribed meds so we can end that discussion.
How do you know you can't ride a road bike or a mountain bike. Bend over and try it.

Now let's get back to the bike discussions.
Don't read them ...
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I get so tired of reading posts that discuss aches and pains and surgery complications and all the meds being taken and "I can't this" or "I can't that"! This is a bicycle discussion forum.
If you're going to ride a bike, there will be soreness and aches and pains in the beginning but it will go away.
If you have "legitimate" back problems - that's allowable. But how many have back problems because of an oversized gut? Get rid of the gut and the back problems will probably go away.
Exercise and weight loss may reduce or eliminate prescribed meds so we can end that discussion.
How do you know you can't ride a road bike or a mountain bike. Bend over and try it.

Now let's get back to the bike discussions.
Then don't visit this section of the forum...
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I get so tired of reading posts that discuss aches and pains and surgery complications and all the meds being taken and "I can't this" or "I can't that"! This is a bicycle discussion forum.
If you're going to ride a bike, there will be soreness and aches and pains in the beginning but it will go away.
If you have "legitimate" back problems - that's allowable. But how many have back problems because of an oversized gut? Get rid of the gut and the back problems will probably go away.
Exercise and weight loss may reduce or eliminate prescribed meds so we can end that discussion.
How do you know you can't ride a road bike or a mountain bike. Bend over and try it.

Now let's get back to the bike discussions.

Awww, c'mon Ron. Give it a rest. You're giving me a headache...you know, the kind that kinda circles around the top of your head and goes down the back of your neck. It makes my eyes hurt, too. Have you ever had one of those? Sometimes they last for days. What do you take for yours, Ron? I used to take aspirin, but now I take ibuprofen. Tylenol doesn't do it for me but I have a sister that really swears by it. She has a knee that got banged up in an accident once. She can tell when a storm's brewing just by the way her knee starts aching. My back's thataway too. The last big summer storm that rolled through here--well, I couldn't hardly get out of bed. Mama and I kinda laid there all morning all snuggled up and...well, the rest of it ain't none of your doggone business...
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I get so tired of reading posts that discuss aches and pains and surgery complications and all the meds being taken and "I can't this" or "I can't that"! This is a bicycle discussion forum.
If you're going to ride a bike, there will be soreness and aches and pains in the beginning but it will go away.
If you have "legitimate" back problems - that's allowable. But how many have back problems because of an oversized gut? Get rid of the gut and the back problems will probably go away.
Exercise and weight loss may reduce or eliminate prescribed meds so we can end that discussion.
How do you know you can't ride a road bike or a mountain bike. Bend over and try it.

Now let's get back to the bike discussions.
Before we actually return to the pure topic of cycling; are there any other topics on your list that should be banned? While you are at it, maybe you could post a list of banned subjects in each area of the forum.
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Old 01-07-05, 11:36 AM   #10
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Can't you guys take anything seriously? I vote for "One foot in the grave." It sounds cooler. Or even better, "Un pie en el sepelcro."

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  1. It isn't about being old. People of all ages whine--only the content changes.
  2. A lot of ailments are helped by exercize and weight reduction--many are not. I doubt if you know the difference.
  3. Try to distinguish between those who are merely "whining" and the majority who are seeking a solution to their aches and pains.
  4. Hope that you live long enough to have these aches and pains.
  5. Lighten up.
  6. As someone else said: Don't let the door hit you...
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As you get older, you run into physical and medical problems. 2 of which are heart problems and Cancer. I know that when I had my bypass, I had no one to turn to for advice. My surgeon had no experience of any one wanting to return to a drastic physical exercise so soon after a bypass. It was suck and see time and I learnt a lot. If I can pass my experience's on to anyone that is coming up for the op, or has just had one, I will.

Now about that tiredness that I get after a 65 mile ride, Anyone got any cures?
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Old 01-07-05, 01:34 PM   #13
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Hope that you live long enough to have these aches and pains.
I'm already there. I'm 60 years old but would rather discuss cycling. If I want to read about medical problems I'll stop by WebMD.

I don't mind real bike-related medical discussions like, "I'm having knee surgery. How long will I be off the bike?" or "How much has your cholesterol level or BP dropped since you started riding?" or "I'm XX years old and training for my first century. What should I be doing to get ready?"



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I know that when I had my bypass, I had no one to turn to for advice. My surgeon had no experience of any one wanting to return to a drastic physical exercise so soon after a bypass.
You would have been asking the kind of questions I don't mind reading. We're all here to help people with questions.
I don't like the complainers who start off with "I can't..." or "I'm too old...".
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Gee, I'm kind of with Ron on this one. I get pretty depressed reading this forum sometimes.
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Okay - I guess I am one of the guilty ones on this topic.

So I thought I was invincible 4 months ago, that I was in great shape, but I got hit by something that stopped my bicycling cold. And I discussed it on this forum, because it DID stop or slow down my bicycling, and because, honestly, I was scared s*****ss.

And the funny thing is that it can happen to any of us.

Through this group, I have found, both through posting and by private mail, a number of folks who have or are going through the same thing, and they are all wondering the same thing: "How does this affect my life and my exercising (read bicycling)."

And it has been of tremendous help to me to correspond with others about these issues, and to be able to be reassured that I can cycle and other things.

Every single one of us - every one - can get hit with a problem that throws us for a loop. And, sadly, the chances that will happen increase greatly as we add more years to our lives. And it all affects our cycling and our health, and it helps to have other bicyclists with whom to discuss these issues.

What seems strange to me is that is that the thread I have been posting to is entitled

"Harrowing Experience - Update On Palpitations"

which is easily recognized, and which a person must make a conscious choice to read, because they KNOW what it will be about.

If it bothers you, then why read it?

Anyway, I am going to keep posting despite Ron's and other's wishes because I have encountered so many folks going through the same thing, and I have received so much good advice and support from many in this group. and, yes, it IS bicycling related.

So, put me on your "ignore" list, avoid any threads where the title makes it clear, and lighten up a bit!

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Okay - I guess I am one of the guilty ones on this topic.

So I thought I was invincible 4 months ago, that I was in great shape, but I got hit by something that stopped my bicycling cold. And I discussed it on this forum, because it DID stop or slow down my bicycling, and because, honestly, I was scared s*****ss.

And the funny thig is that can happen to any of us. . . .
Aaaahh, yer not guilty! It is good to share a scary thing with others, the problem here is most everyone is to the age when scary things start happening more frequently and so you need to talk more about them.

I'd like Ron to post the same thing in the road forum, or in mountain biking or even on the General discussion and see how far it gets him.

He's complaining as if there are no other complaints about crashes, bodily injury, sickness, disease, etc anywhere else on bike forums. Give me a break--and some of those posts elsewhere are bragging
about the injuries they recieve, as if it makes the size of their testicles increase when they get hurt. . .
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...I don't like the complainers who start off with "I can't..." or "I'm too old...".
Sorry. I guess I haven't been reading the forum long enough to run across many of those. Or I just zoned them out.
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I get so tired of reading posts that discuss aches and pains and surgery complications and all the meds being taken and "I can't this" or "I can't that"! This is a bicycle discussion forum.
If you're going to ride a bike, there will be soreness and aches and pains in the beginning but it will go away.
If you have "legitimate" back problems - that's allowable. But how many have back problems because of an oversized gut? Get rid of the gut and the back problems will probably go away.
Exercise and weight loss may reduce or eliminate prescribed meds so we can end that discussion.
How do you know you can't ride a road bike or a mountain bike. Bend over and try it.

Now let's get back to the bike discussions.
Yeah, I know just how you feel. I get tired of reading posts that tell everybody else what to post about and what to reply to.
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DnvrFox, you realise I have had to resist a rather pointed post about old people's homes and cranky residents.
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Give 'em helll, Ron............I am with you all the way
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DnvrFox, you realise I have had to resist a rather pointed post about old people's homes and cranky residents.
Congratulations on your self-discipline!

With Sleep Apnea, Atrial Fibrillation and strange hypertension, I still managed to get in 4,000+ miles last year, which I bet beat about 90% of the posters in the 50+ forum. It was a bit difficult keeping my bike at the nursing home (a whole other thread - how do you store bicycles in a nursing home?), but the other ancient and debilitated residents still consider me a real jokester! Not cranky at all.

But the nice thing is the food is so lousy there that I have managed to lose about 32 pounds since a couple of years back.
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Ron - There are 2 sides to every argument, we just don't have time to listen to yours!!!

DnvrFox, I don't consider myself a whiner listener and don't consider you a whiner. I've found this post to be very interesting, especially from the perspective of what a pain in the ass it is to have health problems and how we should all appreciate life more when we don't have them. Your tales of the tests will have me prepared if I ever have similar problems. Thanks!
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I'm already there. I'm 60 years old but would rather discuss cycling. If I want to read about medical problems I'll stop by WebMD.

I don't mind real bike-related medical discussions like, "I'm having knee surgery. How long will I be off the bike?" or "How much has your cholesterol level or BP dropped since you started riding?" or "I'm XX years old and training for my first century. What should I be doing to get ready?"




You would have been asking the kind of questions I don't mind reading. We're all here to help people with questions.
I don't like the complainers who start off with "I can't..." or "I'm too old...".
Just a simple observation-I think you (Ron) are whining about the posts here!
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Fine whiners improve with age.
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