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    Bike Frame Arrives Tomorrow

    A couple of weeks ago I posted that I wanted to build a bike. After much input from some on this forum, lots of reading, and a few visits to the LBS I Decided on a Salsa Casseroll frame. Although they tried, My Lbs was unable to order the frame because they are not an authorized Salsa dealer. I ordered on line and the tracking information says it should arrive tomorrow. Still waiting on some components, but excited to get going sometime next week. I've learned a lot about building already and look forward to learning much more as I go along.
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    They had No QBP account? or does another nearby shop nail down
    the completed bike territory? Civia-Surly-Salsa.. ?

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    Good luck with your new build. Keep us informed.
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    I'm interested in this thread. I have a salsa casseroll frame (an older one in ginger) that I want to build up. So I'm looking forward to reading your build and seeing the pics. Great choice on a frame btw,

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    Congrads on the new bike!

    What drivetrain, may I ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    They had No QBP account? or does another nearby shop nail down
    the completed bike territory? Civia-Surly-Salsa.. ?
    Nearest dealer is a long, inconvenient distance away. As the lbs owner told them, only HE lost out on the deal. I bought the frame on line for the same price he was going to charge me. They just didn't want to do a 'one time' buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    Congrads on the new bike!

    What drivetrain, may I ask?
    Ultegra 6700, double. 39/53 and 11/28 cassette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timtruro View Post
    Ultegra 6700, double. 39/53 and 11/28 cassette.
    Classy! I always respect a standard 130bcd crankset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timtruro View Post
    Ultegra 6700, double. 39/53 and 11/28 cassette.
    Nice, what about the other bits and pieces like brakes, wheels, and so forth. I'll bet not too many casserolls get built up with a 130 bcd crankset.

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    So far shimano canti brakes, Ultegra shifters, Mavic Open Pro wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timtruro View Post
    So far shimano canti brakes, Ultegra shifters, Mavic Open Pro wheels.
    Do you already own the Open Pro wheelset?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    Do you already own the Open Pro wheelset?
    No lbs is ordering them. Why is there something wrong with these type wheels?
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    Well the frame arrived this afternoon, but I am not at home, my wife took delivery. BTW I wimped out after thinking about it and ordered a different crank today. Ultegra compact 34/50. I road my triple up some big hills today and although I didn't use the granny gear I decided that the 39/53 would be a bit too much on the touring bike.
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    There is nothing whimpy about opting for a compact crank over a 130 bcd; that would have been my choice as well. Nothing wrong with the open pros but if you haven't made your purchase yet, you might want to think about the open pro sports instead.

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    I do have a standard double with 52/39 and I use it--Occasionally. Has to be a flat ride but I NEVER get to 52/12- Even with the wind behind me. Did one ride with a hill with it once- and only once. Only an 8% for a mile but 39/27 was still too tall for me. Daft thing is that with a compact--50/34-- I often find myself in 50/12 and although it may be at a lower cadence than normal- I can use it.

    Open Pro's are one of the recognised standard rims around. When mated to a decent hub by a good builder it makes for one strong reliable wheel that will last. Plenty of alternative rims out there but Mavic are a proved manufacturer. I went for CXP33 rims on 105 hubs 6 years ago and are still my favourite set of wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timtruro View Post
    No lbs is ordering them. Why is there something wrong with these type wheels?
    Open Pro's are great rims and can make an excellent wheel. The ideal tire size range for the Open Pro is 700x23-700x28 according to Mavic.

    If you plan on using a 700x32 or larger tire, I would reconsider and look at the Velocity A23. This rim is wider and will take a 700x23 tire, but can also take touring tires in the 700x32 to 700x40 range. I've used both Open Pro and the Velocity A23 and I like the added width of the A23. There is not any price premium for the wider A23, but the rim can be hard to find due to demand.

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    Nice frame. Very exciting and gratifying to do your own build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    Open Pro's are great rims and can make an excellent wheel. The ideal tire size range for the Open Pro is 700x23-700x28 according to Mavic.

    If you plan on using a 700x32 or larger tire, I would reconsider and look at the Velocity A23. This rim is wider and will take a 700x23 tire, but can also take touring tires in the 700x32 to 700x40 range. I've used both Open Pro and the Velocity A23 and I like the added width of the A23. There is not any price premium for the wider A23, but the rim can be hard to find due to demand.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-Ulte...item3f1772f45c
    I'm thinking 700x28 right now. Don't think I will ever go wider, but who knows.
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    The link Barretsvc provided is for a very good price ($259) on a good quality Velocity A23 and Ultegra wheel set. I paid $390 two years ago for the exact same components in a custom build. Someone should jump on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berner View Post
    The link Barretsvc provided is for a very good price ($259) on a good quality Velocity A23 and Ultegra wheel set. I paid $390 two years ago for the exact same components in a custom build. Someone should jump on this.
    A great deal but the buyer's post says 2 available, 4 sold. Guess he came up with a few more sets of this deal.

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    I bought a Casseroll last month, got the complete build with some minor modifications. Got 28mm tires instead of 32, stayed with the 48-38-26 triple but swapped the 11-25 for an 11-34. For the nasty hills I like to ride and the shape I'm in, I love my low gears, others probably wouldn't want that, but for me, it is great. Except for the saddle I am quite happy, I'll swap it out soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qcpmsame View Post
    A great deal but the buyer's post says 2 available, 4 sold. Guess he came up with a few more sets of this deal.

    Bill
    I read that as 2 still available after 4 were sold. Good price on the wheels, but I would pass on them in favor of some built with butted spokes like DT Competition instead of the straight gauge Champions. I built up a set of A23 wheels for my Casseroll and now run them on my monstercross bike. Very nice rims and the extra width makes for a rounder tire profile, even with tires as narrow as 23mm.
    Mavic Open Pros or CXP33s also make for good wheels. The Open Sports are good rims, but a notch below the others mentioned.
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    He fixed the available/sold part yesterday. I did check it three times to make sure my oldtimers disease wasn't kicking in. Guess they ot tired of people telling them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
    I read that as 2 still available after 4 were sold. Good price on the wheels, but I would pass on them in favor of some built with butted spokes like DT Competition instead of the straight gauge Champions. I built up a set of A23 wheels for my Casseroll and now run them on my monstercross bike. Very nice rims and the extra width makes for a rounder tire profile, even with tires as narrow as 23mm.
    Mavic Open Pros or CXP33s also make for good wheels. The Open Sports are good rims, but a notch below the others mentioned.
    Why are the open sport a notch below the others? The Mavic marketing material states that they are the "descendants" (whatever the heck that means) of the MA-2s and 3s: http://www.mavic.com/en/product/rims...ims/Open-Sport. Those were awesome rims that held up great. The open sports weight 490 grams; the open pros around 430 grams. Guess which ones will hold up better over time? A lot depends on the weight of the OP and the intended use but I'm skeptical that the open sports are a "notch" below the others mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
    Why are the open sport a notch below the others? The Mavic marketing material states that they are the "descendants" (whatever the heck that means) of the MA-2s and 3s: http://www.mavic.com/en/product/rims...ims/Open-Sport. Those were awesome rims that held up great. The open sports weight 490 grams; the open pros around 430 grams. Guess which ones will hold up better over time? A lot depends on the weight of the OP and the intended use but I'm skeptical that the open sports are a "notch" below the others mentioned.
    Why? Ask Mavic. They set their heirarchy, not me.

    The MA-2 was a great and iconic rim. Strong box section and double eyets. People lamented their passing for years, which probably explains why Mavic mentions them in their ad copy. I had a set of MA-40s on my RB-1. That was the anodized version of the MA-2. Great rims, but the anodization actually made them more prone to cracking, which mine did after about 5 years. The single eyelet MA-3 was never a worthy successor and the Open Sport is a descendent of that rim, though I think I read that they fixed some of the problems.

    Open Sports are good rims and may even be a better choice than Open Pros in some possible applications, but they are heavier and built to a lower price point than the other rims mentioned.
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