Replacing an old favorite
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Replacing an old favorite
I can be very loyal to bikes. I owned my first road bike for 37 years. I also turn over bikes that lack the right mix of performance and versatility.
My Soma Double Cross DC has been my most satisfying bike. It's not particularly fast or prestigious. Just a recreation Cyclocross bike made of Tange Prestige steel tubing. It's fast enough for a 6 hour century. It's very comfortable with a relaxed fit and a plush ride quality. I can change it's purpose by switching tires and gearing. I can install fenders and racks. It's not a race bike, it's a classic sports/touring bike. It's as much fun on-road as on-trail and can be a great year-around ride.
I've had the bike for six years and the frame has 15,000 miles on it. The drivetrain has about 4000 miles and the wheelset is new-ish with about 3000 miles. However, rust is starting to peak-out of a few spots where the paint was damaged by the chain or careless handling.
So how do I replace the Soma Double Cross DC? What can I do to improve upon an almost perfect blend of qualities?
If I could improve on the Soma: it would be stiffer when climbing and accelerating. Modern materials can produce a very stiff structure unattainable in steel . A little less weight would be good, a reduction from 23 to 19 lbs should be possible.
So this is the replacement, a Carbon Fiber sports/touring based on the 2012 Pedal Force CX2;
It has a Shimano/Velocity A23 wheelset with 700x32 Vittoria Randonneur Hyper tires. It will get a Shimano 105 Triple Crankset with 50, 39 & 26 chainrings. The cassette is a 11-32 Sram ten speed.
My Soma Double Cross DC has been my most satisfying bike. It's not particularly fast or prestigious. Just a recreation Cyclocross bike made of Tange Prestige steel tubing. It's fast enough for a 6 hour century. It's very comfortable with a relaxed fit and a plush ride quality. I can change it's purpose by switching tires and gearing. I can install fenders and racks. It's not a race bike, it's a classic sports/touring bike. It's as much fun on-road as on-trail and can be a great year-around ride.
I've had the bike for six years and the frame has 15,000 miles on it. The drivetrain has about 4000 miles and the wheelset is new-ish with about 3000 miles. However, rust is starting to peak-out of a few spots where the paint was damaged by the chain or careless handling.
So how do I replace the Soma Double Cross DC? What can I do to improve upon an almost perfect blend of qualities?
If I could improve on the Soma: it would be stiffer when climbing and accelerating. Modern materials can produce a very stiff structure unattainable in steel . A little less weight would be good, a reduction from 23 to 19 lbs should be possible.
So this is the replacement, a Carbon Fiber sports/touring based on the 2012 Pedal Force CX2;
It has a Shimano/Velocity A23 wheelset with 700x32 Vittoria Randonneur Hyper tires. It will get a Shimano 105 Triple Crankset with 50, 39 & 26 chainrings. The cassette is a 11-32 Sram ten speed.
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When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
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IMO you can't beat a cx-frame with a triple as a doitall bike. I ended up with barends and v-brakes on mine because I didn't get the canti's to work as well as i wanted. Many happy miles on what will be a great bike !
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Barrett, I always pay attention to your posts as you always have useful information. Also, I would judge, we have similar interests in what we look for in performance. As a retired man with only a modest interest in high performance, the type of performance you are interested in fits right in with my thinking.
My current and one and only bike is a Specialized Secteur with the lowest of low components - which work reliably and smoothly. Not only that, but if I wish to tour, the bike will accept a rear rack and ride smoothly with 25 pounds or more. By today's standards, the bike is a bit heavy at 22 pounds. I prefer to think of it as sturdy. In any case, speed is limited by the engine, not the chassis. In a word, this bike is versatile which is the characteristic most useful to a recreational rider of my age and interests.
On your suggestion, I installed a bottom 26T chain ring and a 30T biggest cog. This combination is perfect for the type of moderately loaded tours I will do. With about 25 to 30 pounds in the panniers, I can climb anything in my target area which I've already tested.
As an aside, a man I've worked with on and off for over 25 years, has been granted Italian citizenship and now that he is is retired, is hot to move to northern Italy where he has vacationed for several years. Thanks pal.
My current and one and only bike is a Specialized Secteur with the lowest of low components - which work reliably and smoothly. Not only that, but if I wish to tour, the bike will accept a rear rack and ride smoothly with 25 pounds or more. By today's standards, the bike is a bit heavy at 22 pounds. I prefer to think of it as sturdy. In any case, speed is limited by the engine, not the chassis. In a word, this bike is versatile which is the characteristic most useful to a recreational rider of my age and interests.
On your suggestion, I installed a bottom 26T chain ring and a 30T biggest cog. This combination is perfect for the type of moderately loaded tours I will do. With about 25 to 30 pounds in the panniers, I can climb anything in my target area which I've already tested.
As an aside, a man I've worked with on and off for over 25 years, has been granted Italian citizenship and now that he is is retired, is hot to move to northern Italy where he has vacationed for several years. Thanks pal.
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Brothers from a different mother. Right down to the MTB RD & the wide range cassette.
Barrett, I always pay attention to your posts as you always have useful information. Also, I would judge, we have similar interests in what we look for in performance. As a retired man with only a modest interest in high performance, the type of performance you are interested in fits right in with my thinking.
My current and one and only bike is a Specialized Secteur with the lowest of low components - which work reliably and smoothly. Not only that, but if I wish to tour, the bike will accept a rear rack and ride smoothly with 25 pounds or more. By today's standards, the bike is a bit heavy at 22 pounds. I prefer to think of it as sturdy. In any case, speed is limited by the engine, not the chassis. In a word, this bike is versatile which is the characteristic most useful to a recreational rider of my age and interests.
On your suggestion, I installed a bottom 26T chain ring and a 30T biggest cog. This combination is perfect for the type of moderately loaded tours I will do. With about 25 to 30 pounds in the panniers, I can climb anything in my target area which I've already tested.
As an aside, a man I've worked with on and off for over 25 years, has been granted Italian citizenship and now that he is is retired, is hot to move to northern Italy where he has vacationed for several years. Thanks pal.
My current and one and only bike is a Specialized Secteur with the lowest of low components - which work reliably and smoothly. Not only that, but if I wish to tour, the bike will accept a rear rack and ride smoothly with 25 pounds or more. By today's standards, the bike is a bit heavy at 22 pounds. I prefer to think of it as sturdy. In any case, speed is limited by the engine, not the chassis. In a word, this bike is versatile which is the characteristic most useful to a recreational rider of my age and interests.
On your suggestion, I installed a bottom 26T chain ring and a 30T biggest cog. This combination is perfect for the type of moderately loaded tours I will do. With about 25 to 30 pounds in the panniers, I can climb anything in my target area which I've already tested.
As an aside, a man I've worked with on and off for over 25 years, has been granted Italian citizenship and now that he is is retired, is hot to move to northern Italy where he has vacationed for several years. Thanks pal.
That made my day!
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The new one looks like it will build up into a very nice ride.
Now, can I have your rusty old worn out Double Cross**********? Seems like it would be about perfect for me.
Now, can I have your rusty old worn out Double Cross**********? Seems like it would be about perfect for me.
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I doubt very much that any carbon bike will ride as nice as a steel bike.
Steel absorbs high frequency road vibration whereas Carbon just passes the vibration on to you.
Steel absorbs high frequency road vibration whereas Carbon just passes the vibration on to you.
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
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That is a very nice looking build you have done. The 105 crankset looks nice, that triple should get you through some mountains along with the SRAM cassette you mentioned. Well done, sir!
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I would have just taken care of the rust spots, but you probably wanted a new bike,
and CF is the trendy stuff, now.
happy pedaling..
I still have the steel bike frame I built in 1976..
it got changed components and purposes over the decades,
and shares space with several subsequent purchases..
and CF is the trendy stuff, now.
happy pedaling..
I still have the steel bike frame I built in 1976..
it got changed components and purposes over the decades,
and shares space with several subsequent purchases..
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ooh, ahh, the Dark Knight rises! congrats on the new bike!
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A CF Cyclocross bike with rack and fender mounts.(If I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing???) Nice score!
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Wait, that thing has rack and fender mounts on it? That was just what I was going to say was the flaw in that (and that a stripping and powdercoating of the old frame would have been cheaper). But, if that CF frame can handle racks and fenders, it sounds great (as long as it doesn't asplode under you as CF has a tendency to do).
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I would have just taken care of the rust spots, but you probably wanted a new bike,
and CF is the trendy stuff, now.
happy pedaling..
I still have the steel bike frame I built in 1976..
it got changed components and purposes over the decades,
and shares space with several subsequent purchases..
and CF is the trendy stuff, now.
happy pedaling..
I still have the steel bike frame I built in 1976..
it got changed components and purposes over the decades,
and shares space with several subsequent purchases..
Thanks!
Wait, that thing has rack and fender mounts on it? That was just what I was going to say was the flaw in that (and that a stripping and powdercoating of the old frame would have been cheaper). But, if that CF frame can handle racks and fenders, it sounds great (as long as it doesn't asplode under you as CF has a tendency to do).
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When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
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Nice bike! You've got it set up similar to what I did with my (aluminum) Specialized Sequoia. It came with a low-end drivetrain that I converted to a 105 triple. I also discovered the "secret" that 700x28 or 700x32 tires (which just fit) improve the ride tremendously and give up very little if any on the real-world, real-road performance factor. The bike also came with fender & rack mounts and I put a fixed rack on it.
One innovation that I'll be trying out on a tour next week is that I changed the 30-tooth inner ring for a 24-tooth for added help on the big hills. I have to be a bit careful since I can only use that safely with the inner (larger) 3 or 4 sprockets, but then that's the only time that I expect to really need it!
One innovation that I'll be trying out on a tour next week is that I changed the 30-tooth inner ring for a 24-tooth for added help on the big hills. I have to be a bit careful since I can only use that safely with the inner (larger) 3 or 4 sprockets, but then that's the only time that I expect to really need it!
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Earlier this week I began using the new Pedal Force CX2. It's a great road bike alternative, 98% of the speed but twice the utility. The larger 700x32 tires on the CX2 allow me to enjoy the smoother trails and gravel that are common in the Midwest. I also can just ride across the pot-holed and patched suburban streets without the usual bob-and-weave that is necessary when on a smaller tire.
The added inertia of the wheelset and larger tires does slow acceleration by a small amount, the bike is a little slower to wind up. However the actual overall difference in speed on my usual route is about 2% or about 0.35 mph.
However, the ride quality is exceptional. the bike feels solid and is very responsive, but the tires provide the right amount of suppleness that is very relaxing. If I need to maximize my speed by 2%, I still have a road bike.
The bike will also take fenders and a rear rack. I expect the bike to become my #1 ride.
The added inertia of the wheelset and larger tires does slow acceleration by a small amount, the bike is a little slower to wind up. However the actual overall difference in speed on my usual route is about 2% or about 0.35 mph.
However, the ride quality is exceptional. the bike feels solid and is very responsive, but the tires provide the right amount of suppleness that is very relaxing. If I need to maximize my speed by 2%, I still have a road bike.
The bike will also take fenders and a rear rack. I expect the bike to become my #1 ride.
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When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
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You have one very well built bike there, build group parts are well thought out and it looks first rate. Enjoy the ride!
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The gear range provided by the 50, 36 & 26t chainrings and the 11-32 ten speed cassette is as useful as any road crank and it can provide climbing ratios as as low as a touring triple. I can maintain any speed up to 28mph on the middle chainring, and don't spin-out until 36 mph (gravity assisted) on the big chainring. The small chainring provides fear-no-hill versatility.
I might need to fiddle with the fit and add a longer stem.
Thank you, Phil. Cheers
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When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
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