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Old 10-18-12, 08:16 AM   #26
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I admire him for putting the health of the foundation ahead of his ego.
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I kind of like the imagery of the phrase "Dropped by Nike". It gives me a mental image of a drug-free and quite mortal Armstrong laboring up a climb as Nike, the winged goddess of victory, accelerates away, as if she is not bound by gravity.

It's not a political comment to root for a greek goddess.
Nike is not about sports -- it's about profit. Period. End of sentence.

When Lance became a possible detractor to their profit, he was dropped like a rider with a flat tire trying to keep up with the pack.

Loyalty? We don't need no stinkin' loyalty around here!
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Nike is not about sports -- it's about profit. Period. End of sentence.

When Lance became a possible detractor to their profit, he was dropped like a rider with a flat tire trying to keep up with the pack.

Loyalty? We don't need no stinkin' loyalty around here!
No, Nike is the greek goddess of winged victory. My post had nothing to do with the corporation that uses her name.

Lighten up.
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Cheaters and liars are not good role models. Especially liars with their pants on fire!

Al Capone helped the poor. Still, he should not be forgiven for his transgressions. He's not a good role model.
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Nike name was also used for a surface to air missle too,
still see the launcher pads on the Marin headlands, remaining .
GGNRA was a military base, then.
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I've been wondering about casting;
I'm thinking Brad Pitt to play Tyler Hamilton.
Matt Damon as Floyd Landis
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Cheaters and liars are not good role models. Especially liars with their pants on fire!

Al Capone helped the poor. Still, he should not be forgiven for his transgressions. He's not a good role model.
Role models: those who live a virtuous life. That means moral conduct that rejects moral relativism.
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Alan Rickman as Lance Armstrong
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Hey! P&R! Get ready. Here comes another thread....
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Interesting watch

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Alan Rickman as Lance Armstrong
Hugh Laurie as Mario Cipollini.
Anne Hathaway as Emma O’Reilly.
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Old 10-18-12, 02:14 PM   #37
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Whatever Greg's thoughts are, I trust he has the discretion to keep them to himself.
I didn't always agree with Greg's approach...but I always believed him. +1 to Greg. Now what do I do with this wristband?
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Amazing! A conspiracy of riders, teams and governing organizations. This is so much worse than anything I can remember in sports.
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Is "Lance" is the new "Fred" in cycling slang?
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That's a good move by Armstrong. I'm a little disappointed in Nike's stance. I would have preferred if they would have condemned him for doping but allowed that his balance of work is so overwhelmingly positive that they will continue to support him as long as he comes clean about his past sometime soon. I guess that would be too nuanced for the typical P.R. types, but just throwing him under the bus seems crass to me.
The balance of his work is overwhelmingly positive? That is certainly "too nuanced" for me. The man is a cheat, a bully and, arguably at least, a criminal. He has done as much as anyone, ever, to undermine professional cycling. He has cashed in on his status as a cancer survivor to establish a for-profit organisation that is supported by millions of well-meaning people who have been led to believe that it is a charitable endeavour, and has done nothing to disabuse them, in order to maximise his wealth. The "balance of his work" is despicable in the extreme.
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Old 10-20-12, 01:02 PM   #43
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The balance of his work is overwhelmingly positive? That is certainly "too nuanced" for me. The man is a cheat, a bully and, arguably at least, a criminal. He has done as much as anyone, ever, to undermine professional cycling. He has cashed in on his status as a cancer survivor to establish a for-profit organisation that is supported by millions of well-meaning people who have been led to believe that it is a charitable endeavour, and has done nothing to disabuse them, in order to maximise his wealth. The "balance of his work" is despicable in the extreme.
I always thought. and am pretty sure, LAF was/is a nonprofit organization? I have read in past that LA was a non paid executive. That takes the negative aspect of his participation out of the foundation for me. Two different entities. I have found nothing wrong with the foundation and hardly feel duped by contributing on occaision.
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Amazing! A conspiracy of riders, teams and governing organizations. This is so much worse than anything I can remember in sports.
Wow...now that's worth watching. What money will do.
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I always thought. and am pretty sure, LAF was/is a nonprofit organization? I have read in past that LA was a non paid executive. That takes the negative aspect of his participation out of the foundation for me. Two different entities. I have found nothing wrong with the foundation and hardly feel duped by contributing on occaision.
Sure, the Foundation is not-for-profit, though questions have been asked about the extent to which it prioritises funding research over self-promotion. But Livestrong.com, despite appearances, is a distinct, for-profit enterprise: a fact it does not advertise. Many people do not understand that the two are separate.
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Anthony Hopkins as Denvrfox? Just sayin'.
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Sure, the Foundation is not-for-profit, though questions have been asked about the extent to which it prioritises funding research over self-promotion. But Livestrong.com, despite appearances, is a distinct, for-profit enterprise: a fact it does not advertise. Many people do not understand that the two are separate.
It does not support research, and has never stated that it does. It does provide support and offer resources (including financial assistance) to cancer victims. The guy is a total skunk, but the foundation does a lot of good. Hey, Jerry Lewis isn't the nicest guy in the world, either. In fact, most people think he's an absolute a-hole, but MDA is a worthy organization. It's just unfortunate that decent organizations have asshats as their public face.
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It does not support research, and has never stated that it does. It does provide support and offer resources (including financial assistance) to cancer victims. The guy is a total skunk, but the foundation does a lot of good. Hey, Jerry Lewis isn't the nicest guy in the world, either. In fact, most people think he's an absolute a-hole, but MDA is a worthy organization. It's just unfortunate that decent organizations have asshats as their public face.
Just to be accurate -- Jerry Lewis is no longer with MDA. http://entertainment.time.com/2012/0...-the-telethon/

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Beware of schadenfreude. It always seems to bite you in a tender part.
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