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AzTallRider 10-17-12 09:14 AM

Lance Armstrong Discussion Thread
 
Lance Armstrong Stepping Down As Livestrong Chairman

And Nike has dropped its sponsorship of Armstrong, but not of the foundation.

CACycling 10-17-12 10:10 AM

I admire him for putting the health of the foundation ahead of his ego.

BluesDawg 10-17-12 10:12 AM

A related story...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/prot...ng-endorsement

bruce19 10-17-12 10:33 AM

I don't know his motivation but I'm going to assume it's because he cares about the future of the organization. A good move IMO. Certainly the Komen Foundation fiasco shows what can happen when you decide to stonewall. This is better for the organization.

MinnMan 10-17-12 10:47 AM

I kind of like the imagery of the phrase "Dropped by Nike". It gives me a mental image of a drug-free and quite mortal Armstrong laboring up a climb as Nike, the winged goddess of victory, accelerates away, as if she is not bound by gravity.

It's not a political comment to root for a greek goddess.

AzTallRider 10-17-12 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BluesDawg (Post 14850834)

Good read: thanks for the link.

Allegheny Jet 10-17-12 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BluesDawg (Post 14850834)

Nike is beginning to remind me of Taco Bell in the movie Judge Dredd.

B. Carfree 10-17-12 12:38 PM

That's a good move by Armstrong. I'm a little disappointed in Nike's stance. I would have preferred if they would have condemned him for doping but allowed that his balance of work is so overwhelmingly positive that they will continue to support him as long as he comes clean about his past sometime soon. I guess that would be too nuanced for the typical P.R. types, but just throwing him under the bus seems crass to me.

lhbernhardt 10-17-12 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jdon (Post 14850739)
Those are all appropriate steps imo. Having seen two company founders lose proxy battles and the loss of control, this will be pretty hard on Lance. I am sure he will remain a strong supporter and an influence on the foundations direction regardless. It is a great foundation founded by a great individual and athlete. Shame about the controversy.

I would be inclined to agree, to maybe even support the notion that LA was indeed the best cyclist of his time with or without PEDs, but driven to use them in order to compete against their rampant use by lesser riders, BUT for his words and actions, documented by close associates time and time again in their sworn testimony, that make him out to be no less than a real jerk and an egregious bully, especially to women (Kathy Lemond, Betsy Andreau, Emma O'Reilly) who had the courage to stand up for the truth.

I can only conclude that a lot of his avoidance of sanctions had to do with the positive image he cultivated, associating himself with feel-good causes and organization. A strategy that still appears to be working, but is now showing signs of crumbling like a house of cards.

Luis

Bikey Mikey 10-17-12 01:23 PM

Admire the fact he considers the foundation above himself.

MinnMan 10-17-12 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bikey Mikey (Post 14851675)
Admire the fact he considers the foundation above himself.

Maybe, maybe not. An alternative interpretation would be that the board of directors demanded his resignation and/or that he resigned to avoid facing such a demand.

bikepro 10-17-12 01:29 PM

I've read nothing to confirm my suspicions, but I think what actually happened is that Nike told Armstrong they were going to drop him, and unless he resigned from Livestrong, they would drop support for them as well. I'm sure there will be more fallout in the near future. I'm sure the late night joke writer's are sharpening their pencils just for Lance.

bruce19 10-17-12 02:14 PM

I wonder what Greg LeMond is thinking right about now.

bikepro 10-17-12 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bruce19 (Post 14851888)
I wonder what Greg LeMond is thinking right about now.

"He who laughs last . . ." or "You heard it here first!"

lhbernhardt 10-17-12 03:07 PM

I've never met Lance personally, but I have met and talked with Greg Lemond. I found Greg to be a genuine nice guy, very honest, candid, and never full of himself. I think that "greatness" must include not only one's accomplishments, but also the content of one's character.

Luis

AzTallRider 10-17-12 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bikepro (Post 14851699)
I've read nothing to confirm my suspicions, but I think what actually happened is that Nike told Armstrong they were going to drop him, and unless he resigned from Livestrong, they would drop support for them as well. I'm sure there will be more fallout in the near future. I'm sure the late night joke writer's are sharpening their pencils just for Lance.

My thoughts run towards a negotiation between Lance, the foundation, and Nike, with the key factor being Nike continuing to support the foundation financially, by selling Livestrong gear and paying royalties. Lance remains a board member, just not Chairman, and I'd bet that was done with the approval of major supporters like Nike.

joshnc 10-17-12 03:29 PM

I wonder if armstrong will ever swallow his pride and admit to his doping. He is one selfish person.

berner 10-17-12 03:42 PM

This entire situation has been a vast disappointment. My mother and my sister both died with cancer. The Livestrong network has been crucial to many similarly afflicted and a cause to which I felt strongly drawn to. To have that crumble this way is beyond sad - it is a great tragedy.

Esteban58 10-17-12 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by berner (Post 14852173)
This entire situation has been a vast disappointment. My mother and my sister both died with cancer. The Livestrong network has been crucial to many similarly afflicted and a cause to which I felt strongly drawn to. To have that crumble this way is beyond sad - it is a great tragedy.

Mother, Father in law, wife's cousin, aunt, and both uncles... cancer sucks. My hope is that these actions will help to keep Livestrong viable, but I'm not hopeful of that - I guess we'll see.

NOS88 10-17-12 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BluesDawg (Post 14850834)

It was a good read. If the plot gets any thicker I don't know if I can wade through it. I guess the saying "you can't make this stuff up" is just too true. What a movie this would make. But, who should direct it? Maybe Quentin Tarantino, or Joel & Ethan Cohen?

Shimagnolo 10-17-12 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NOS88 (Post 14852263)
It was a good read. If the plot gets any thicker I don't know if I can wade through it. I guess the saying "you can't make this stuff up" is just too true. What a movie this would make. But, who should direct it? Maybe Quentin Tarantino, or Joel & Ethan Cohen?

I've been wondering about casting;
I'm thinking Brad Pitt to play Tyler Hamilton.

bikepro 10-17-12 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by joshnc (Post 14852114)
I wonder if armstrong will ever swallow his pride and admit to his doping. He is one selfish person.

After giving this some thought, if Lance wants to retain the smallest shred of dignity, he privately approaches his sponsors and admits the truth. This gives them a chance to gracefully retreat from ground zero. About a week later, after all the sponsors have dropped him, he comes forward with a brief admission of guilt and apology and drops from the public eye for a year or so.

david58 10-17-12 07:57 PM

Not really much to admire, not much at all.

billydonn 10-17-12 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lhbernhardt (Post 14851513)
I would be inclined to agree, to maybe even support the notion that LA was indeed the best cyclist of his time with or without PEDs, but driven to use them in order to compete against their rampant use by lesser riders, BUT for his words and actions, documented by close associates time and time again in their sworn testimony, that make him out to be no less than a real jerk and an egregious bully, especially to women (Kathy Lemond, Betsy Andreau, Emma O'Reilly) who had the courage to stand up for the truth.

I can only conclude that a lot of his avoidance of sanctions had to do with the positive image he cultivated, associating himself with feel-good causes and organization. A strategy that still appears to be working, but is now showing signs of crumbling like a house of cards.

Luis

You go Luis! :thumb:

oldbobcat 10-17-12 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bruce19 (Post 14851888)
I wonder what Greg LeMond is thinking right about now.

Whatever Greg's thoughts are, I trust he has the discretion to keep them to himself.


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