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Old 12-04-12, 04:02 PM   #1
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New Wheels

Though these wheels aren't any great shakes from the viewpoint of many of you but compared to the entry level (or close to) wheels that I spent my first 3 years on, they are just fine. At 1850 grams for the pair they aren't especially light but what they are is solid and reliable, a huge plus considering my history with wheels. Cornering at speed feels secure. I'll have to go down some more familiar hills to be sure but I'd swear I was getting 2-3 MPH faster than normal down some fairly fast (by local standards) hills the other day.



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Old 12-04-12, 06:07 PM   #2
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Congratulations! It sounds like they are very fine wheels...

And -- I think this came to me with age -- but I put more credit into restoring or upgrading "old" than I do with buying new...

While N+1 is always nice -- anybody with a check book can do it. Upgrading tends to give me much more satisfaction.

Enjoy!
.... Do you have any other upgrades planned?

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The new wheels look nice, Tom, glad they got here fairly quick for you. I'll bet they ride sweet, that weight isn't to bad with the 20 front and 24 rear lacing. The bike still looks like new, you take good care of it.

We need to get together for some ride time when you get the time, if you don't mind having to stop and wait for me on the hills!

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DT Swiss are very good rims. I have some hand built wheels built with DT Swiss RR465 rims DT Swiss spokes and Brass nipples and Hope Hubs. I like them better than I did My Dura Ace CF rims and Shimano Spokes and Hubs.
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The new wheels look nice, Tom, glad they got here fairly quick for you. I'll bet they ride sweet, that weight isn't to bad with the 20 front and 24 rear lacing. The bike still looks like new, you take good care of it.

We need to get together for some ride time when you get the time, if you don't mind having to stop and wait for me on the hills!

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The new wheels look nice, Tom, glad they got here fairly quick for you. I'll bet they ride sweet, that weight isn't to bad with the 20 front and 24 rear lacing. The bike still looks like new, you take good care of it.

We need to get together for some ride time when you get the time, if you don't mind having to stop and wait for me on the hills!

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Please tell us more about the hills in FL? Really?
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Please tell us more about the hills in FL? Really?
Believe it or not, you can get in a 25 mile ride with a couple of thousand feet of climbing very near where I live. There is an area called the Blackwater National Forrest (1000's of square miles) where the roads cut back and forth across river channels. Nothing by CO standards of course but it's constantly up and down 5%-9% and so little traffic that you can go for 40 minutes in between seeing motor vehicles.

Below is a Garmin track of a ride a few days ago. No epic climbs but it's anything but flat.

Shown are elevation in green and grade% in khaki.


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I know reduced spoke count wheels are all the rage because of their reduced air turbulence, but I still prefer 32 or 36 spokes per wheel for reliability and limp-home capability.
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There are hills in the panhandle. Florida is not entirely flat, as we found on a recent visit.

Tom, I wouldn't sneer at DT-Swiss anything. They're a very reputable wheel component company. Weight is irrelevant compared with reliability. I expect you to get some great mileage out of them.
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Isn't waiting, and then purchasing something you "deserve" satisfying!
Enjoy the ride.
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Plenty of elevation changes on that route of yours so you may be changing the concept that Florida is FLAT.

Your "Old" set of wheels are not my favourite and am surprised that they were on a Bianchi---and a Bianchi in the right colour at that.

Certain Myths can be disproved (Like flat rides in Fl) but I am afraid that the fact that Bontrager Wheels are not the best around is a truth. These new DT's should give more reliability- a better ride and possibly a few mph on your top speed. Weight is in the ball park but the big difference will come in the quality.

Now get out and ride and wear those tyres out.
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Farther north on the map Denver, you missed my area by about 5-10 miles on your Google map. Find the CR196-U.S. 29 intersection and then go west about 1/2 mile and you have us zeroed in. The rollers are starting around where your map is centered, we are in the Barrineau Park and Molino communities. Tom is to the East, Santa Rosa County, around N.A.S. Whiting Field.

I would not think of comparing our rolling hills from stream cuts over the centuries to the Rockies in Colorado, but we still get a work out, as Tom's graph shows. You guys are so lucky where you are from, you get to choose from flat plains, to rolling foot hills to real mountains like I drooled over in the U.S. Pro Cycling Challenge. Some day I will make it out your way just to say I got exhausted on a real mountain climb ride. Notice I said "Hills" here, not "Mountains" as you guys know so well, I didn't want to be laughed off of here with the ROTF-LMAO smilies in every reply.

I got your P.M. Tom, we can do something I imagine!!

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I know reduced spoke count wheels are all the rage because of their reduced air turbulence, but I still prefer 32 or 36 spokes per wheel for reliability and limp-home capability.
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early in my career I worked for an aluminum company and we visited one of our plants that manufactured aluminum guardrail systems. Even as aluminum guys we were surprised and asked: Is aluminum strong enough to use as guardrail? The answer was: "Neither steel nor aluminum guardrail is strong enough to stop a direct hit. The strength in either lies in how many posts there are and how close together they are".

I apply the same logic to wheels. A strong rim cannot make up for a fewer spokes.

Fewer spokes make a weaker wheel.

The question is: Is it strong ENOUGH?

Perhaps the answer is: You don't need 36 spokes -- until you do.
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Thanks for the FL info, and you have clearly disposed of the "FL is flat" concept. Looks like a really good workout! Have fun.
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Thanks for the FL info, and you have clearly disposed of the "FL is flat" concept. Looks like a really good workout! Have fun.
Most of Florida is flat, I'll give you that. ;-) We have some geological features that are unique to the state but we're way over on the panhandle almost to Mobile, Alabama.
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A strong rim cannot make up for a fewer spokes.

Fewer spokes make a weaker wheel.

The question is: Is it strong ENOUGH?

Perhaps the answer is: You don't need 36 spokes -- until you do.
Th wheel manufacturers such as DT Swiss and Velocity know what they are doing in terms of the wall thickness of the aluminium extrusions they get for the wheels. That is why there is really little difference between the weight on mid-range wheels with more spoke counts and fewer -- the rim compensates for the lower number.

The guy behind the original Lotus racing team, Colin Chapman, was among the first motor racing engineers to adopt the philosophy that it only has be strong enough to last the distance.

Race wheels can be light, relatively strong, and only have to last to the finish line in the pro races. Your distances may vary...
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I know reduced spoke count wheels are all the rage because of their reduced air turbulence, but I still prefer 32 or 36 spokes per wheel for reliability and limp-home capability.
I own both types of wheelsets. Ambrosio 32H, Fulcrum Zero and Campy Eurus.

Both types of wheels have their pros and cons.
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I apply the same logic to wheels. A strong rim cannot make up for a fewer
You cannot apply the same logic. A guard rail is linear, thus it needs more support to make it "strong" than a circular wheel does. You cannot extrapolate that what works, or doesn't for a guardrail will equally work or don't work for a wheel.

I own 32H wheels and I also own reduced spoke count wheel. I am not a little itty bitty guy. I can tell you that reduced spoke count wheels are as sturdy as any other wheelset there.

If you prefer to ride 36H or 32H wheels that's your choice. Enjoy the ride and be safe!
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Tom that's a beautiful Bianchi and your wheels look great. Enjoy them both.
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