Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Fifty Plus (50+) Share the victories, challenges, successes and special concerns of bicyclists 50 and older. Especially useful for those entering or reentering bicycling.

User Tag List

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-05-12, 07:28 PM   #1
HawkOwl
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 2,635
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Raspberry Extract

Saw a clip from the medical authourity, Dr. Oz, today. He was extolling the value of raspberry extract to reduce body fat. The claim was the it is cheap, has no side effects and reduces body fat. Reduced body fat helps a person to "think and act thin" and so improve fitness and health.

What a boon if true. Take a pill and not have to worry about too much belly fat. That would allow more exercise, etc.

Lots of experts on this forum. What say you?
HawkOwl is offline  
Old 12-05-12, 07:56 PM   #2
Leastbest
Senior Member
 
Leastbest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: LaGrange, OH
Bikes: Specialized Secteur
Posts: 73
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't put a lot of stock into what Dr. Oz says.
Leastbest is offline  
Old 12-05-12, 07:57 PM   #3
freedomrider1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: N.W.Ohio
Bikes:
Posts: 1,163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
do you mix that with stoli?
freedomrider1 is offline  
Old 12-05-12, 08:31 PM   #4
B. Carfree
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Bikes:
Posts: 6,273
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
I think it could have some real benefits as part of a weight loss program. However, I think he left out some key parts. First, you have to prepare the soil, by hand. This works best if it is quite rocky and has lots of thick-rooted grasses. Then, you have to use a bike trailer to haul in some proper soil amendments (in extreme cases of corpulence, you will need to haul off all of the rocky soil and replace it as well). Next, you need to purchase, haul (by bike, of course) and plant the raspberries. All watering is to be done by hauling pints of water a minimum of five miles; one pint per trip. When the fruit comes on, get picking.

If you like the berries, eat them. If not, go ahead and make the extract, but the weight loss should have already begun. If not add more acreage.
B. Carfree is offline  
Old 12-05-12, 08:59 PM   #5
con
Older I get, faster I was
 
con's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: santa cruz
Bikes:
Posts: 654
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkOwl View Post
Saw a clip from the medical authourity, Dr. Oz,

con is offline  
Old 12-05-12, 09:00 PM   #6
BigAura
 
BigAura's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chapin, SC
Bikes: surly LHT, paris sport fixed, trek 5000, fuji ss
Posts: 2,429
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 97 Post(s)
As long as you burn more calories than you consume you'll reduce fat. I'm sure Dr Oz would agree.
BigAura is offline  
Old 12-05-12, 09:29 PM   #7
scroca 
commuter and barbarian
 
scroca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Potomac, MT, USA
Bikes:
Posts: 2,499
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Are we talking about the Wizard of Oz?

Pay no attention to the Dr behind the curtain.
__________________
2015 Seven Cycles Expat SL
2011 Felt Q620
2010 Motobecane Jury fixed gear
2010 Surly LHT
1992 Trek 1200
1977 Schwinn Le Tour II fixed gear
scroca is offline  
Old 12-05-12, 09:33 PM   #8
locolobo13 
Senior Member
 
locolobo13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Phx, AZ
Bikes: Trek Mtn Bike
Posts: 1,110
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Why not just eat the razzberries? More fiber that way.
locolobo13 is online now  
Old 12-06-12, 01:14 AM   #9
stapfam
Time for a change.
 
stapfam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: 6 miles inland from the coast of Sussex, in the South East of England
Bikes: Dale MT2000. Bianchi FS920 Kona Explosif. Giant TCR C. Boreas Ignis. Pinarello Fp Uno.
Posts: 19,915
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
I think it could have some real benefits as part of a weight loss program. However, I think he left out some key parts. First, you have to prepare the soil, by hand. This works best if it is quite rocky and has lots of thick-rooted grasses. Then, you have to use a bike trailer to haul in some proper soil amendments (in extreme cases of corpulence, you will need to haul off all of the rocky soil and replace it as well). Next, you need to purchase, haul (by bike, of course) and plant the raspberries. All watering is to be done by hauling pints of water a minimum of five miles; one pint per trip. When the fruit comes on, get picking.

If you like the berries, eat them. If not, go ahead and make the extract, but the weight loss should have already begun. If not add more acreage.
But all that hard work is worth it for the number of Pies you can make. Not keen on Raspberry but Can you imagine what Raspberry Pill Pie would taste like like?
__________________
How long was I in the army? Five foot seven.


Spike Milligan
stapfam is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 07:02 AM   #10
bruce19
Senior Member
 
bruce19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lebanon (Liberty Hill), CT
Bikes: MASI Gran Criterium S, Colnago World Cup CX & Guru steel
Posts: 4,464
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 49 Post(s)
Dr. Oz thinks Genetically Modified foods are just fine.
bruce19 is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 09:52 AM   #11
Bikey Mikey
Senior Member
 
Bikey Mikey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Newport News, VA USA
Bikes: Diamondback Edgewood LX; Giant Defy 1
Posts: 3,325
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by stapfam View Post
But all that hard work is worth it for the number of Pies you can make. Not keen on Raspberry but Can you imagine what Raspberry Pill Pie would taste like like?
Yum, yum. I've had raspberry pie and it was delicious. But a mixed berry pie, raspberries being among the mix, is even better.
Bikey Mikey is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 10:05 AM   #12
David Bierbaum
Senior Member
 
David Bierbaum's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: St. Louis Metro East area
Bikes: 1992 Specialized Crossroads (red)
Posts: 1,519
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
So, you're saying a raspberry pie is berry good, but a many-berry pie is berry berry good, right?

Unlike the last stages of a Vitamin B1 deficiency, which is berry berry serious...
David Bierbaum is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 10:28 AM   #13
stapfam
Time for a change.
 
stapfam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: 6 miles inland from the coast of Sussex, in the South East of England
Bikes: Dale MT2000. Bianchi FS920 Kona Explosif. Giant TCR C. Boreas Ignis. Pinarello Fp Uno.
Posts: 19,915
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Bierbaum View Post
So, you're saying a raspberry pie is berry good, but a many-berry pie is berry berry good, right?

Unlike the last stages of a Vitamin B1 deficiency, which is berry berry serious...
Spot on. Raspberry on its own is not that great but Raspberry and say Gooseberry is exceptional. Goes with other fruits as I have heard that a Strawberry and Rhubarb is pretty fine aswell. I prefer my Rhubarb on its own but adding Apple improves it no end. So Going to raid the freezer now as I know there are some Black currants in there and Gooseberries and I do believe that there are a few stalks left on the Rhubarb in the greenhouse.
__________________
How long was I in the army? Five foot seven.


Spike Milligan
stapfam is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 10:29 AM   #14
Esteban58
West Coast Weenie
 
Esteban58's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Sunnyvale, CA.
Bikes: 2013 Caletti, Trek 7500 fx
Posts: 639
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Bierbaum View Post
So, you're saying a raspberry pie is berry good, but a many-berry pie is berry berry good, right?

Unlike the last stages of a Vitamin B1 deficiency, which is berry berry serious...
ugh.
Esteban58 is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 10:48 AM   #15
Rowan
Has opinion, will express
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Bikes:
Posts: 14,761
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 138 Post(s)
Had razzleberry pie recently. That was pretty good. And I was raised having fresh raspberries and cream and a touch of fine sugar each summer in Australia. Nice.

I suppose on of the things about extracts is that they ensure fruit that would go to waste actually contributes something to our diet. But I wouldn't buy it, dietary claims or not. Just give me the real stuff.
Rowan is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 11:22 AM   #16
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,248
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Who you jivin' with that cosmic debris?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPlhb4f9P8
BluesDawg is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 12:21 PM   #17
Looigi
Senior Member
 
Looigi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 8,951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
Dr. Oz thinks Genetically Modified foods are just fine.
I do too, mostly. All living things have been and will continue to be genetically modified. The naturally occurring process is random whereas the human driven and controlled process isn't, which isn't to say that we know what we're doing or the full implications of what it is we do.
Looigi is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 01:16 PM   #18
HawkOwl
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 2,635
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Actually just about all food we eat today is "genetically modified". That is what selective breeding is all about. Selective breeding of animals and plants to obtain different characteristics has been going on for centuries. That is why plants and animals we use for food today look, and probably taste, far different from their ancestors. The difference is that today's procedures speed up the process. Personally, I think some slowness is a good thing. It gives us time to think a bit.
HawkOwl is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 01:25 PM   #19
HawkOwl
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 2,635
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I gather from the replies that no one has much respect for Dr. Oz?

But he is an MD! I'm surprised since he is presented as an authority other medical professionals haven't come to his defense.


So, is the situation that since it is receommended by Dr. Oz Raspberry Extract can't be good? Or, Raspberry Extract isn't what it is claimed to be no matter who recommends it?
HawkOwl is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 01:35 PM   #20
Bikey Mikey
Senior Member
 
Bikey Mikey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Newport News, VA USA
Bikes: Diamondback Edgewood LX; Giant Defy 1
Posts: 3,325
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Every medical class has 50% of it's Dr.s graduate at the bottom half. He may well have done well or not so well in med school, but I've seen people who do outstanding in school(many types of disciplines) but are terrible when it comes to application.
Bikey Mikey is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 02:45 PM   #21
Dudelsack 
A might bewildered...
 
Dudelsack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Loovul
Bikes: Bacchetta Giro ATT 26; Lemond Buenos Aires
Posts: 6,345
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Raspberry extract converts fatty acids to glucose. Great stuff.






PS The profession is not a political party. We don't have to pretend that ninnies are other than what they are, unlike......aw, never mind.
__________________
Signature line for rent.
Dudelsack is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 02:59 PM   #22
himespau 
Senior Member
 
himespau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Bikes:
Posts: 9,476
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 50 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
Dr. Oz thinks Genetically Modified foods are just fine.
That's because they are. I don't trust/agree with him on most things, but that's pretty accurate. Also, vaccines don't cause autism. Don't let people who wear tin foil hats make your decisions for you.
himespau is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 03:04 PM   #23
jmccain
Senior Member
 
jmccain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Bikes: Kvale, Peugeot, Cervelo, Bridgestone
Posts: 597
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkOwl View Post
Saw a clip from the medical authourity, Dr. Oz, today. He was extolling the value of raspberry extract to reduce body fat... What say you?

He could be right. A lot less vanilla ice cream fits on a raspberry pill than a raspberry pie.
jmccain is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 03:04 PM   #24
himespau 
Senior Member
 
himespau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Bikes:
Posts: 9,476
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 50 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
I think it could have some real benefits as part of a weight loss program. However, I think he left out some key parts. First, you have to prepare the soil, by hand. This works best if it is quite rocky and has lots of thick-rooted grasses. Then, you have to use a bike trailer to haul in some proper soil amendments (in extreme cases of corpulence, you will need to haul off all of the rocky soil and replace it as well). Next, you need to purchase, haul (by bike, of course) and plant the raspberries. All watering is to be done by hauling pints of water a minimum of five miles; one pint per trip. When the fruit comes on, get picking.

If you like the berries, eat them. If not, go ahead and make the extract, but the weight loss should have already begun. If not add more acreage.
The one problem with this plan for using raspberry extract to lose weight is that, in my experience, it's only in their second year of growth after planting cuttings that the raspberry plants begin to bear much in the way of fruit. So you'll need to add "wait a year and go for some nice long bike rides to pass the time" to your plan. Unless of course, you want to skip that part of the process and go looking for wild black raspberry plants (my preference is the yellows) and, in particular, those right next to a bear den. Make lots of noise while harvesting the berries and then get ready to run.
himespau is offline  
Old 12-06-12, 03:16 PM   #25
Esteban58
West Coast Weenie
 
Esteban58's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Sunnyvale, CA.
Bikes: 2013 Caletti, Trek 7500 fx
Posts: 639
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I found this link for home-brew (and I do mean brew) raspberry extract: link
I was thinking 'might be a nice water additive for rides' till I got to the part where you add the vodka .
Esteban58 is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:01 PM.