5th Annual 50+ ride and conference?
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5th Annual 50+ ride and conference?
What's the current thinking on where and when we will hold the event et cetera?
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There has been interest in having an event in the Dodgeville-Blue Mound area of Wisconsin. Billydonn met me there for a ride in October, see: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ght=Dodgeville
The area offer scenic, safe and challenging riding. The nearby town of Mineral Point offers arts & crafts shopping for non-cycling spouses. Fine dining and a variety of hotels and B&B are available.
The area offer scenic, safe and challenging riding. The nearby town of Mineral Point offers arts & crafts shopping for non-cycling spouses. Fine dining and a variety of hotels and B&B are available.
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That would be perfect for me. My father in law lives in NW Illinois and it looks as if Dodgeville is around an hours drive from him, if not less. Some pretty good hill country in that area, not sure if this flatlander will be much good up there. If the ride is going to be in the WI, IL area, there is a rail trail that runs from Savanna, IL to Moline, IL and has both flatlands and hills. The trail is about 60-70 miles in length and runs along the Mississippi river and SR 84 for most of it's length. I rode it this year and it was a really good ride as some areas of the trial involved riding some back roads.
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Jim from Boston is trying to nail down a date for a ride there. Late July or early August is the time frame there, Wisconsin sounds like fun to me also, I just have to paddle across the lake. Like Road Fan said, it is important to nail down a date so people can make plans.
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There has been interest in having an event in the Dodgeville-Blue Mound area of Wisconsin. Billydonn met me there for a ride in October, see: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ght=Dodgeville
The area offer scenic, safe and challenging riding. The nearby town of Mineral Point offers arts & crafts shopping for non-cycling spouses. Fine dining and a variety of hotels and B&B are available.
The area offer scenic, safe and challenging riding. The nearby town of Mineral Point offers arts & crafts shopping for non-cycling spouses. Fine dining and a variety of hotels and B&B are available.
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That would be perfect for me. My father in law lives in NW Illinois and it looks as if Dodgeville is around an hours drive from him, if not less. Some pretty good hill country in that area, not sure if this flatlander will be much good up there. If the ride is going to be in the WI, IL area, there is a rail trail that runs from Savanna, IL to Moline, IL and has both flatlands and hills. The trail is about 60-70 miles in length and runs along the Mississippi river and SR 84 for most of it's length. I rode it this year and it was a really good ride as some areas of the trial involved riding some back roads.
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I was considering how to plan routes without some of the very steep-but-short hills in the area. It would be possible to have two morning routes and two afternoon routes. One of the morning and one of the afternoon routes could travel flatter roads for shorter distances. An alternate steeper and longer morning and afternoon route would also be planned. We would all gather for lunch and dinner regardless as to what route was selected. Riders could mix routes, trying the steep route in the morning and taking an easier route in the afternoon, if they wanted.
Don"t forget the rail trail to Madison from Dville. That should be flat enough for most folks. How about two rides: Wisconsin in May or June and Boston in August?
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I will carefully set some moderate bike routes in the area. I'll offer a 8% maximum slope route, but I could set a mostly flat route if needed. The more advanced routes will feature a few 15% plus hills. All of these hills are short 5 to 10 minute climbs followed by flat or downhill sections that provide 20 minutes of recovery.
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I was considering how to plan routes without some of the very steep-but-short hills in the area. It would be possible to have two morning routes and two afternoon routes. One of the morning and one of the afternoon routes could travel flatter roads for shorter distances. An alternate steeper and longer morning and afternoon route would also be planned. We would all gather for lunch and dinner regardless as to what route was selected. Riders could mix routes, trying the steep route in the morning and taking an easier route in the afternoon, if they wanted.
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We will stay between Dodgeville and Blue Mounds. I promise very safe low-traffic roads and pleasant rolling-countryside scenery.
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Jim from Boston is trying to nail down a date for a ride there. Late July or early August is the time frame there, Wisconsin sounds like fun to me also, I just have to paddle across the lake. Like Road Fan said, it is important to nail down a date so people can make plans.
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I'm still very eager about a Boston ride and there seemed to be a lot of interest in one during the last go-round on the Official Fifth Annual Ride thread. I just read this current thread today (Christmas day + 1) and called the MassBike office with only a voicemail reply. I realize the necessity of pinnning down a date as early as possible. I've been meaning to join Mass Bike as a advocacy group, so I will and see if I can agitate for an early determination of the date. After all, I too need to request the time off.
Location, location, location is obviously a key factor for an Annual Ride. I have driven up to 800 miles one-way for the Third Annual in Michigan, but that included a visit to family there. With regards to the suggested Wisconsin ride, this sounds like an ad hoc ride, i.e, not as a under the auspices of an organized cycling club. Annual Rides # 2, 3, and 4 were in conjunction with an organized club ride. The usual number of Fifty-Plus subscribers that showed up has been about 10 to 15 at most. I imagine that the riders are of different abillities, so they might string out over such a course, making for some solo rides. Of course the pre- and post-ride activities are probably as strong, if not more so, a draw to travel a long distance to meet fellow 50+ BF'ers. Nonetheless, riding with a large contingent adds to the safety factors, and personally I met some local riders on the Second and Third Annual Rides with whom I connected.
Just sayin'.
... What happened to Boston?
Jim from Boston is trying to nail down a date for a ride there. Late July or early August is the time frame there, ... Like Road Fan said, it is important to nail down a date so people can make plans.
... I'm glad to see Boston is still under consideration. Here’s some of the basic logistics:
THE RIDE:
This will be the fourth annual ride sponsored by a cycling advocacy group, MASS BIKE (presumably they will organize it for 2013). This year, the date was not announced until May or June for the ride on July 28, and usually it is aekend in July....
As they describe it: “All rides (8, 26, 47, 62 and 100 miles) will traverse the heart of American Revolutionary history, from Paul Revere’s Ride through Lexington and Concord, to nearby battlefields. Longer rides visit the towns and villages that sent the first Minutemen. After the rides, everyone is invited to stay at Lexington High School for lunch and socializing. Lunch will be provided by Redbones! [A local, well-regarded BBQ joint that’s bike-friendly—they even have valet bike-parking. ] The terrain, IMO, is gently rolling hills.
For details, see: !https://massbike.org/summer-century-family-ride/...
THE RIDE:
This will be the fourth annual ride sponsored by a cycling advocacy group, MASS BIKE (presumably they will organize it for 2013). This year, the date was not announced until May or June for the ride on July 28, and usually it is aekend in July....
As they describe it: “All rides (8, 26, 47, 62 and 100 miles) will traverse the heart of American Revolutionary history, from Paul Revere’s Ride through Lexington and Concord, to nearby battlefields. Longer rides visit the towns and villages that sent the first Minutemen. After the rides, everyone is invited to stay at Lexington High School for lunch and socializing. Lunch will be provided by Redbones! [A local, well-regarded BBQ joint that’s bike-friendly—they even have valet bike-parking. ] The terrain, IMO, is gently rolling hills.
For details, see: !https://massbike.org/summer-century-family-ride/...
Location, location, location is obviously a key factor for an Annual Ride. I have driven up to 800 miles one-way for the Third Annual in Michigan, but that included a visit to family there. With regards to the suggested Wisconsin ride, this sounds like an ad hoc ride, i.e, not as a under the auspices of an organized cycling club. Annual Rides # 2, 3, and 4 were in conjunction with an organized club ride. The usual number of Fifty-Plus subscribers that showed up has been about 10 to 15 at most. I imagine that the riders are of different abillities, so they might string out over such a course, making for some solo rides. Of course the pre- and post-ride activities are probably as strong, if not more so, a draw to travel a long distance to meet fellow 50+ BF'ers. Nonetheless, riding with a large contingent adds to the safety factors, and personally I met some local riders on the Second and Third Annual Rides with whom I connected.
Just sayin'.
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Speaking for myself, I don't see anything wrong with having more than one option for a group get together. Different logistics and timing might mean that people who can't make one can go to the other.
I'm not sure what sort of "conference" arrangements Michael has in mind though. Will there be an agenda, with presentations and stuff? Corporate sponsors? Who will be our keynote speaker? (Just kidding Michael)
I'm not sure what sort of "conference" arrangements Michael has in mind though. Will there be an agenda, with presentations and stuff? Corporate sponsors? Who will be our keynote speaker? (Just kidding Michael)
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Speaking for myself, I don't see anything wrong with having more than one option for a group get together. Different logistics and timing might mean that people who can't make one can go to the other.
I'm not sure what sort of "conference" arrangements Michael has in mind though. Will there be an agenda, with presentations and stuff? Corporate sponsors? Who will be our keynote speaker? (Just kidding Michael)
I'm not sure what sort of "conference" arrangements Michael has in mind though. Will there be an agenda, with presentations and stuff? Corporate sponsors? Who will be our keynote speaker? (Just kidding Michael)
I'll post a preliminary outline for a two day event starting with a mid-morning ride on Saturday at 10:00am, Lunch at the Pleasant Ridge Country store followed by an afternoon ride and dinner. Sunday will include a set of rides, including the Military Ridge trail near Blue Mounds and lunch.
I'll post a few options as to what weekend in May or June is best. I might invite the C&V crowd, too. We all can vote and discuss what weekend is best.
I'll start the thread after New Years when the traffic here increases.
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Here are a few sample route;
Saturday morning, Dodgeville to lunch at Pleasent Ridge. 11 miles with 500 ft of climbing or 15.5 miles with 800 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161944936
Saturday after lunch, Return to Dodgeville. 14 miles with 500 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161948724
Alternative Saturday after lunch, Return to Dodgeville. 45 miles with 2260 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161950064
Sunday Morning Loop from Blue Mounds. 21 miles with 900 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161951432
Alternative Sunday Morning Loop: 41 miles with 2500 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161955976
Saturday morning, Dodgeville to lunch at Pleasent Ridge. 11 miles with 500 ft of climbing or 15.5 miles with 800 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161944936
Saturday after lunch, Return to Dodgeville. 14 miles with 500 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161948724
Alternative Saturday after lunch, Return to Dodgeville. 45 miles with 2260 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161950064
Sunday Morning Loop from Blue Mounds. 21 miles with 900 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161951432
Alternative Sunday Morning Loop: 41 miles with 2500 ft of climbing: https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/161955976
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No conference planned. The agenda only includes exercise, fresh air and good meals :-)
I'll post a preliminary outline for a two day event starting with a mid-morning ride on Saturday at 10:00am, Lunch at the Pleasant Ridge Country store followed by an afternoon ride and dinner. Sunday will include a set of rides, including the Military Ridge trail near Blue Mounds and lunch.
I'll post a few options as to what weekend in May or June is best. I might invite the C&V crowd, too. We all can vote and discuss what weekend is best.
I'll start the thread after New Years when the traffic here increases.
I'll post a preliminary outline for a two day event starting with a mid-morning ride on Saturday at 10:00am, Lunch at the Pleasant Ridge Country store followed by an afternoon ride and dinner. Sunday will include a set of rides, including the Military Ridge trail near Blue Mounds and lunch.
I'll post a few options as to what weekend in May or June is best. I might invite the C&V crowd, too. We all can vote and discuss what weekend is best.
I'll start the thread after New Years when the traffic here increases.
Those who saw through my clever ruse are to be commended for their sagacity.
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I'm still very eager about a Boston ride and there seemed to be a lot of interest in one during the last go-round on the Official Fifth Annual Ride thread. I just read this current thread today (Christmas day + 1) and called the MassBike office with only a voicemail reply. I realize the necessity of pinnning down a date as early as possible. I've been meaning to join Mass Bike as a advocacy group, so I will and see if I can agitate for an early determination of the date. After all, I too need to request the time off.
Location, location, location is obviously a key factor for an Annual Ride. I have driven up to 800 miles one-way for the Third Annual in Michigan, but that included a visit to family there. With regards to the suggested Wisconsin ride, this sounds like an ad hoc ride, i.e, not as a under the auspices of an organized cycling club. Annual Rides # 2, 3, and 4 were in conjunction with an organized club ride. The usual number of Fifty-Plus subscribers that showed up has been about 10 to 15 at most. I imagine that the riders are of different abillities, so they might string out over such a course, making for some solo rides. Of course the pre- and post-ride activities are probably as strong, if not more so, a draw to travel a long distance to meet fellow 50+ BF'ers. Nonetheless, riding with a large contingent adds to the safety factors, and personally I met some local riders on the Second and Third Annual Rides with whom I connected.
Just sayin'.
I'm still very eager about a Boston ride and there seemed to be a lot of interest in one during the last go-round on the Official Fifth Annual Ride thread. I just read this current thread today (Christmas day + 1) and called the MassBike office with only a voicemail reply. I realize the necessity of pinnning down a date as early as possible. I've been meaning to join Mass Bike as a advocacy group, so I will and see if I can agitate for an early determination of the date. After all, I too need to request the time off.
Location, location, location is obviously a key factor for an Annual Ride. I have driven up to 800 miles one-way for the Third Annual in Michigan, but that included a visit to family there. With regards to the suggested Wisconsin ride, this sounds like an ad hoc ride, i.e, not as a under the auspices of an organized cycling club. Annual Rides # 2, 3, and 4 were in conjunction with an organized club ride. The usual number of Fifty-Plus subscribers that showed up has been about 10 to 15 at most. I imagine that the riders are of different abillities, so they might string out over such a course, making for some solo rides. Of course the pre- and post-ride activities are probably as strong, if not more so, a draw to travel a long distance to meet fellow 50+ BF'ers. Nonetheless, riding with a large contingent adds to the safety factors, and personally I met some local riders on the Second and Third Annual Rides with whom I connected.
Just sayin'.
I think we could print out our own maps, decide on a protocol for captained riding for those who want it, appoint a sweeper or laterne rouge, and identify food/bathroom stops where they are known.
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Jim, are you concerned about it not being an organized ride? I think the main benefits offerred by the Ann Arbor Bicycle Touring Society were good route and food communication, presence of a responsive SAG crew, and a good sweep up. Not to mention coordination with local law enforcement and other public services regarding the 1700+ cyclists about to swarm the roads! Plus the course marking was superbe, you really didn't need the map.
I think we could print out our own maps, decide on a protocol for captained riding for those who want it, appoint a sweeper or laterne rouge, and identify food/bathroom stops where they are known.
I think we could print out our own maps, decide on a protocol for captained riding for those who want it, appoint a sweeper or laterne rouge, and identify food/bathroom stops where they are known.
Not to be a Captain Bringdown, but I have previously mentioned liability issues in organizing a ride. I know it was very generous of you, Road Fan, to organize a Friday Ride for the Third Annual Ride in Michigan, and I was comfortable, and enjoyed routes I hadn't ridden in years. The Second Annual Ride actually had several rides organized for Friday to Sunday.
Speaking for myself, I don't see anything wrong with having more than one option for a group get together. Different logistics and timing might mean that people who can't make one can go to the other.
I'm not sure what sort of "conference" arrangements Michael has in mind though. Will there be an agenda, with presentations and stuff? Corporate sponsors? Who will be our keynote speaker? (Just kidding Michael)
I'm not sure what sort of "conference" arrangements Michael has in mind though. Will there be an agenda, with presentations and stuff? Corporate sponsors? Who will be our keynote speaker? (Just kidding Michael)
BTW, today I joined our local sponsoring organization, Mass Bike, at a Sponsorship level. I called the office, but they are still closed for the Holidays. So I can't pinpoint an exact date, but now as a member I can agitate for an early-decided date.
Happy New Year to this Forum, and I'm sure some Ride will materialize in 20i3 among this “herd of cats.”
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Jim, let's again discuss the liability question. What liability issues are you specifically worried about? I thought we settled this rather thoroughly when planning the 3rd one. But I won't assume the concerns we resolved then are the concerns we would find now.
I understand you're "just sayin'" but please in that case, just say it without being elliptical.
I understand you're "just sayin'" but please in that case, just say it without being elliptical.
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There has been interest in having an event in the Dodgeville-Blue Mound area of Wisconsin. Billydonn met me there for a ride in October, see: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ght=Dodgeville
The area offer scenic, safe and challenging riding. The nearby town of Mineral Point offers arts & crafts shopping for non-cycling spouses. Fine dining and a variety of hotels and B&B are available.
The area offer scenic, safe and challenging riding. The nearby town of Mineral Point offers arts & crafts shopping for non-cycling spouses. Fine dining and a variety of hotels and B&B are available.
Don't know nuthin' 'bout liability issues. When club cyclists here want to go on an unapproved ride they call it a "Show and Go". No cue sheets, no ride captains, ride at your risk and such.
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Liability? What liability? As I posted, I've missed the past rides because the logistics just didn't work for me. So I may not understand all the factors. That said, I can't see anyone having any extra liability. When I travel and make prior arrangements to ride with someone none of us have any addditional liability. So, why should these rides have any?
Some things I've thought of:
Club Liability because it is being organized with a group from an internet site. If so that would be liability on the part of Internet Brands, the people who own this site, not the individual riders. Even then, they are not sponsoring or sanctioning the rides so I can't see any there. Some may be getting confused as to what "member" means when applied to this site.
Personal Liability on the part of the people doing the dog work. If I understand correctly all thoe people are doing is setting up a times and places for the rides. Don't think that qualifies for any additional liability over usual personal libility.
Of course, I could be wrong, perish the thought.
Some things I've thought of:
Club Liability because it is being organized with a group from an internet site. If so that would be liability on the part of Internet Brands, the people who own this site, not the individual riders. Even then, they are not sponsoring or sanctioning the rides so I can't see any there. Some may be getting confused as to what "member" means when applied to this site.
Personal Liability on the part of the people doing the dog work. If I understand correctly all thoe people are doing is setting up a times and places for the rides. Don't think that qualifies for any additional liability over usual personal libility.
Of course, I could be wrong, perish the thought.
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I don't know what was discussed at the first ride. But, barring some knowledgeable attorney giving a written opinion to the contrary, I am confident no particpant in the ride discussed here has any more or less personal liability than if they just join with a local bunch of riders for a casual ride. I am also confident that if some individual is the cause of an injury or significant property loss they will be sued regardless of any insurance.
Who, by name is the "insured". Is it some organized and chartered group? Or,?
As for "BFN" liability I don't know what "BFN" is. If it is Bike Forums then you are assuming they are somehow sponsoring or supporting the ride. I don't get that sense from the conversations on this web site. If they do have a potential liability I think they would take a more active role in the ride's organization and execution.
In short, from what I know, again barring better information from someone who is a professional in the field, liability for something like this is a personal matter and can not be avoided. If the people who use this web site choose to affiliate with a formal group they may gain something, but avoiding responsibility isn't one of them.
Who, by name is the "insured". Is it some organized and chartered group? Or,?
As for "BFN" liability I don't know what "BFN" is. If it is Bike Forums then you are assuming they are somehow sponsoring or supporting the ride. I don't get that sense from the conversations on this web site. If they do have a potential liability I think they would take a more active role in the ride's organization and execution.
In short, from what I know, again barring better information from someone who is a professional in the field, liability for something like this is a personal matter and can not be avoided. If the people who use this web site choose to affiliate with a formal group they may gain something, but avoiding responsibility isn't one of them.
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Jim, let's again discuss the liability question. What liability issues are you specifically worried about? I thought we settled this rather thoroughly when planning the 3rd one. But I won't assume the concerns we resolved then are the concerns we would find now.
I understand you're "just sayin'" but please in that case, just say it without being elliptical.
I understand you're "just sayin'" but please in that case, just say it without being elliptical.
…Don't know nuthin' 'bout liability issues. When club cyclists here want to go on an unapproved ride they call it a "Show and Go". No cue sheets, no ride captains, ride at your risk and such.
Liability? What liability? … I can't see anyone having any extra liability. When I travel and make prior arrangements to ride with someone none of us have any addditional liability. So, why should these rides have any?
Some things I've thought of: …
Personal Liability on the part of the people doing the dog work. If I understand correctly all thoe people are doing is setting up a times and places for the rides. Don't think that qualifies for any additional liability over usual personal libility.
Of course, I could be wrong, perish the thought.
Some things I've thought of: …
Personal Liability on the part of the people doing the dog work. If I understand correctly all thoe people are doing is setting up a times and places for the rides. Don't think that qualifies for any additional liability over usual personal libility.
Of course, I could be wrong, perish the thought.
I don't want to sound “elliptical,” discouraging, or even sinister when discussing liability issues. When you lead an informal Friday afternoon ride for the Third Annual 50-Plus ride I eagerly attended it without concern, and I was familiar with the route from years ago. That ride was a step beyond a “Show and Go” ride insofar as the route was determined ahead of time.
On the “Official Thread for the 50+ 5th Annual Ride,” I brought up the liability issue and referred to this thread on another forum, “Personal Liabilities Leading Local Rides? I did not participate in that thread, but here are a few selected quotes:
I see a number of suggestions here on BF to offer to lead a group ride that meets your riding style. While I agree that sounds like an excellant idea to meet your/my needs, I just read an article about the legal ramifications of how you present the info. to potential riders in the event of an accident. I don't have the mag article but think it was in the latest Bicycle Times. As I remember it, if you offer to lead a (pick a night) ride then you are incurring some liability as this would be an "organized ride". But to say I will be riding (pick a night) ride and you are welcome to join does not infer an organized ride…
I say if you swing your leg over a bike you must be willing to take a risk. If you go down in a group than so be it but there will always be some snivelling snot out there who will have to lay blame so they can be compensated! Cycling is not a sport for the risk adverse…
Some kind of vague information from Bicycling Magazine: https://bicycling.com/blogs/roadright...arless-leader/
Thanks for all replies. Just wanted to let my BF friends to know this is something to think about. I guess that you should be sure to define your role as a co-participant but if you offer advice or pick the route, you may be considered a road captain or coach and should be insured against liability. Wonder if a or homeowners policy would cover us? But some may not own a home or car… Sad to bring this up but in the US ignorance of the law does not limit liability. We need to be in the know and I knew BF peeps are knowledgeable and love to share.
… And if someone in a group is not a designated leader, then the likely outcome is that everyone in the group might be targeted in the lawsuit.
You think you might be able to hide behind numbers on this, but you can't. Why do you think there are usually multiple respondents in lawsuits seeking damages for accidents?
Having a waiver may mitigate the responsibility of the organiser by setting out clearly that the participant was aware that risk existed in the ride. The question in an accident situation arises at to whether the risk that caused the accident was foreseeable by the organisers and adequate steps were taken to avoid that risk.
You think you might be able to hide behind numbers on this, but you can't. Why do you think there are usually multiple respondents in lawsuits seeking damages for accidents?
Having a waiver may mitigate the responsibility of the organiser by setting out clearly that the participant was aware that risk existed in the ride. The question in an accident situation arises at to whether the risk that caused the accident was foreseeable by the organisers and adequate steps were taken to avoid that risk.
Finally, the First Annual Ride, as I understand, was a similar offer of an ad hoc ride in Colorado organized by DnvrFox. I recall reading about some disagreements from that Ride. Perhaps he could comment more knowledgeably than me. He also wrote to the current Official Thread of the Fifth Annual Ride:
[Note: This post was written before reading Bill’s and HawkOwl’s posts, #’s 22 and 23 above.]
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I think all this discussion of liability is going to shrink or kill these events. I'm checking on liability on my own, and will have a viable plan that meets basic requirements.
If we could return to enjoying cycling and the friendships that result from these events.
If we could return to enjoying cycling and the friendships that result from these events.
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I agree. IMO it's just some folks getting together to ride bikes in public places. No fee is being paid for a product or service so who could be liable? Liability schmiability.