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Old 02-08-13, 11:11 AM
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Two things--either of them "Not Bad"

Had to go to the docs this afternoon after the blood tests that were taken Tuesday. Bit of intrepidation because our National Health Service doesn't work that fast. What's Wrong? What have they found? First I cannot believe and that is I am way down on Vitamin "D". That is the sunshine vitamin and if it is not raining too hard or not too cold I am always out in the garden. Must be all that time I am spending indoors at the gym.

Secondly it looks as though I have Diabetes. I say only looks like it as I have known about an elevated Glucose count for about 10 years and it has always been at the same level. More tests in a Couple of weeks and I will find out if the elevated glucose level has developed into something more chronic.

So both of these are not bad in my opinion- I had a problem- that has been found and now comes the getting round the problem. Won't say "Cure" as it might offend some.

The other "Not Bad" is something I have been putting off. Fitting new bar tape.



Went for Easton Cork Tape in black as it felt thick enough and it was cheap. Started at the centre of the bars so I would lose that strip of black tape and I did not find it too difficult. These are the new C.F. bars I bought and they have the flat part at the centre that may be for Aerodynamics but give a flat surface for the hands to rest on. Will find out if I have done it correctly in a few weeks riding and if not--I already know how not to do it
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Nice job with the tape!

And it is good that you got the 'heads up' on the vitamin and sugar...
... Keep us posted on the follow-up. Hopefully it all returns to normal...
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Nice! I have a handlebar similar to yours there.

Seems like so many of my friends are being diagnosed with diabetes lately. I've always assumed that a type-2 diagnosis was limited to people who were inactive people who were overweight and didn't much like taking care of themselves. I now know that to be false ... most of the people I know being diagnosed now are none of those things. I had a doc friend tell me that it's really some kind of statistical anomaly because of longer life expectancies, but I dunno ....
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I noticed three things--all of them "Good"

1. You went in for the blood tests.

2. You have a very good attitude.

3. You did a great job on the tape.

We're all looking forward to seeing "things" get even better for you!
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I'm low also with vitamin D it is common with people our age.Just pop a pill and you are good to go.The glucose was elevated with me,changed the diet around and it fell back into place.BTW you fast before the blood test right?I also wonder if what you eat a day or two before the test makes a difference.Good luck with the future tests.As far as bar tape,for me thats what the LBS is for.
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Been looking at Vitamin D deficiency. If it is there you can get muscular and bone pain- Possibility of diabetes- can lead to prostate problems- Cardio problems- Lethargy-Tiredness in the day time and lots of other problems. I have all these symptoms and have had for years. Some having been more serious than others so perhaps there will be a new vitalised me in a few months.

But problem found- problem solved-or will be when the peds start taking effect. Wonder if I will get drug tested on the metric next month?
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They checked my vitamin D when I broke the leg. It was 12 and "normal" is 30.
They immediately put me on 10,000 units/day. 25X the normal dosage. After 3 months, I'm now at 5,000 until this prescription runs out (50 more days) and then 2,000 till**********???forever?

I suggest everyone "our age" take at least a vitamin/mineral pill per day. I might not have broken my leg if I had KEPT doing that.
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There is also a genetic component to diabetes. Even with type 2. Hand in hand with longer lifespans. When people routinely died in their 60s, fewer were diagnosed. Also, many men of my father's generation never went to the doctor. They may have been undiagnosed diabetics when they suffered the stroke or heart attack that killed them.
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[QUOTE=stapfam;
it looks as though I have Diabetes.
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I think we've chatted on this subject before - I'm 40 years in with T1 diabetes, and while I wouldn't recommend it, it's quite manageable!

Your evident determination and discipline will serve you well. Every good wish.
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I was diagnosed with type II in my mid thirties. Diabetes runs in my father's side of the family.

Fasting will have no impact except on a simple blood glucose test. If they did an HB A[sub]1[/sub]C(Hemoglobin A[sub]1[/sub]C) test, the doc will have an idea of your glucose levels over the last few months--fasting or not fasting will have no impact on this test.
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Stap, I misread your original post somehow and mistakenly read into it that you MIGHT have diabetes but were going back for more tests...

But, if you do have it, I am very glad that you caught -- and knowing you, you will manage it very carefully. And for diabetes, the management is the key to long and happy life.

That is, it is not the diabetes that hurts you or kills you -- it is the complications from unmanaged diabetes. That is, high sugar levels cause both macro and micro damage to the arterial system and the result is damage to organs like eyes and kidneys as well poor circulation to the extremeties which leads to hard to treat infections. Also, the macro effects can be things like high cholesterol and blood pressure which lead to their own problems.

But, if the sugar levels are well managed with: meds, diet and exercise those bad things don't happen (or are far less likely to happen).

I know that you will do what you have to do.

Your physician will take care of the meds and I know you will take care of the exercise.

But I STRONGLY suggest that you ask for a referral to a nutritionist with a specialty in diabetes... Not only are there a LOT of misconceptions about diabetic diets but you will learn to ways to eat that not only help manage the diabetes but are fun, tasty and healthy. (at least that is what I have observed when I accompanied newly diagnosed patients to the nutritionist).

So, I am very glad that you found this -- I have not doubt that you will manage it very well...

BTW: when I saw my physician last (who happens to be an endocrinologist) and told him I was riding 20-25 miles a day he was very pleased and said: "One of my patients manages his diabetes by riding 14 miles each day".
... I wonder if the higher sugar levels came about from your lack of riding recently?
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And, BTW, if the physician prescribes diabetes meds for you, one thing I have observed with my patients is that they strongly caution about not letting the sugar levels get too high -- but they ignore low sugar levels. And, in your case, that can have an increased probability.

A typical situation is: you take the morning meds then skip breakfast and take a ride instead --and all 3 of those things decrease your sugar levels and low sugar is more dangerous (short term) that high sugar. High sugar has serious long term consequences. But low sugar can quickly make you dizzy, woozy and can even make you pass out. And, if it gets way too low it can kill you.

So learn to recognize the causes and symptoms of hypoglycemia and try to avoid them... And carry some life savers or sugary drink to treat it if it happens.

Again, in my experience, physicians tend to be less concerned about low sugar levels for some reason -- but they can kill you faster than high sugar.

The trick is to keep it in the right range.
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Doctor said that she wants more tests but it is Diabetes. How severe will be determined on the next test. To be honest and I have not noticed any signs but I do have the indicators that could be Diabetes----Or they could just be me wearing out. What I am happy about though is the diagnosis of Vitamin "D" deficiency. Gives a reason for some of the problems I have been having and the cure. Take a pill daily and that is easy.

Had a coffee tonight with a sweetener instead of Sugar. I am binning the sweeteners and having Black coffee with no milk and no Sugar--It tastes better. But what am I going to do tomorrow? Have a ride planned with a call at the cafe for Coffee and --------Nothing for me thanks--I'll try this non sugary slice of toast instead.
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Stap,
Glad that you have the diabetes diagnosed before things got out of hand for you. Mikey is probably the best person, besides your NHS doctors to talk with about the management of diabetes. With your determination to be healthy you won't have any problems. When I was diagnosed with the CRF last summer I found a lot of great information and guidance at the American Diabetes Association and the American Kidney Association websites. A couple of good books for diet and recipes to use in cooking meals are very helpful for me in the management. I imagine that the UK has similar groups for support you can use. Diet was the biggest help in all of my management of my kidney problems and my B-I-L uses them in his diabetes management (diagnosed 2 months ago.) The doctor that manages my case told me that the riding is the single best personal thing, save a proper diet I am doing and not stop doing the riding, George said much the same, above.

A glucose meter is probably the best item for sugar level management I know of, I imagine you either have or are getting one shortly, now. As George said sugar level management is really important, as you probably already know form the NHS. My B-I-L keeps his in his pocket at all times and checks regularly to determine what he needs as far as medication and diet. Vitamin D I know little about, never had any problems with that one, thankfully. Best of luck in dealing with the diabetes and Vit. D deficiency, I'll keep you in all of my prayers. A P.M. this weekend will be coming.

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Stap, Hopefully you do get to talk to a nutritionist. A Diabetic diet isn't simply eliminating sweet stuff and carbs -- but learning how to balance the whole load... But, I suspect your "Usual" of sugared coffee and sweet roll would not be considered balanced. And I was surprised to learn that in terms of diabetes they count milk to be a carb too...

But I DO like that your physician is proceeding cautiously and waiting for more tests before making decisions. She sounds like a physician you can have confidence in...

And, it seems to me that you have been complaining of missing your usual strength and energy -- and that could definitely be the diabetes... (Or was it simply the change in routine to the gym?)
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First I cannot believe and that is I am way down on Vitamin "D". That is the sunshine vitamin and if it is not raining too hard or not too cold I am always out in the garden.
This is very surprising to me, since you live in Bali. Oh, no, wait a second, you live in England.

Seriously, I've been told that where we live (latitude lower than yours), we won't get much vitamin D from the sun. Also, it's rare that I go outside without being pretty covered up (for the temperature).

This is an EXCELLENT site concerning diabetes:

https://www.bloodsugar101.com/
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Originally Posted by qcpmsame
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A glucose meter is probably the best item for sugar level management I know of, ...
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Yes, I agree. But some physicians will only prescribe them if the patient asks for one with mild Type II diabetes. Instead, some prefer to manage strictly off of the HgbA1C because that provides long term results that nobody can cheat or lie about it. (Well, maybe Lance --- but that's another story!) ... And some assume that the patient will not want to be bothered with it.

But I have found that when a person tests themselves with a glucometer that they tend to do a much better job of managing their sugar levels. And they do even better if they keep an ongoing log that they can show the physician. (although most glucometers do that for you).

But I have found the log to be especially helpful in identifying and tracking the severity and frequency of hypoglycemia (which can present as an acute and severe problem).

And, I believe (although I haven't seen this verified medically) but it's not the long term average that matters -- but the day-to-day and hour-to-hour control of your sugar levels that keeps you healthy. If your sugar is always in the right range, from your body's perspective, you don't have diabetes...
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Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac
I was surprised to learn that in terms of diabetes they count milk to be a carb too...
Right, one cup of milk has over 3 teaspoons of sugar (milk sugar).
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Originally Posted by stapfam
Been looking at Vitamin D deficiency. If it is there you can get muscular and bone pain- Possibility of diabetes- can lead to prostate problems- Cardio problems- Lethargy-Tiredness in the day time and lots of other problems. I have all these symptoms and have had for years. Some having been more serious than others so perhaps there will be a new vitalised me in a few months.

But problem found- problem solved-or will be when the peds start taking effect. Wonder if I will get drug tested on the metric next month?
This all may be hooey but I was also dx with Vit D deficiency - curse of old people - we don't convert sunlight like we did as kids... that said I have now started this "cocktail" of supplements which I swear makes me feel and perform better. Each morning with breakfast I pop a small aspirin (81mg), Calcium, Slo-mag and Vit D (1000ud). Other than an occasional allergy pill I take no other medication (and yes I see a doctor regularly). I am 62 and seem to be in good health (still have all my teeth and can see and hear well too - although I have tinnitus). Imagine that!
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I hope your medical issues respond well to the treatments.

The tape looks good, but I never wrap from the top down because it leaves the edges of the tape exposed so that they tend to roll down as your hands slide down the bar.
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I live in sunny NM at 7,600' elevation and still take Vitamin D.
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Whoa. This is interesting. I've not been told I have a vitamin D deficiency ... yet.

There is some correlation between Vitamin D and lower rates of cancer. Enough so that I think the AMA actually recommends some limited sun exposure for most people (those not those prone to skin cancers).

The fact that age seems to bring on a vitamin D deficiency makes me wonder if that is a factor in the increased cancer rates as we age.

Sounds ripe for a clinical trial!

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...-on-vitamin-d/
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Originally Posted by Pamestique
Each morning with breakfast I pop a small aspirin (81mg), Calcium, Slo-mag and Vit D (1000ud).
I take my aspirin at night.
Results of small pilot studies suggest that taking low-dose aspirin before bedtime may reduce blood pressure more than when taken upon awakening (JW Cardiol Aug 1 2003). Now, researchers have explored the mechanisms of that potential effect.
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I take a LD asprin before bedtime per doctor's guidelines.
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On the Bar tape---I looked at it and You can wrap them two ways. Clockwise and Anti clockwise or Forward and back or whichever way you want to term it. I looked at the bars and the tape and I could get it so the "Open" side of the tape is either going with or away from hand movement. If the open side is encountered first with hand movement then it will pucker and look untidy very quickly. If the open side is away then it will last longer. I have always disliked the bit of tape that is at the centre of the bars so tried to eliminate it. By starting at the centre then it gives a neater finish- or at least to my eyes- and the tape should hold itself in place if pulled tight on the first couple of turns.

It may not be the usual way and may not work but I'll let you know in a few months time. And coffee without sugar is not that bad. I'll let you know about that in a few months time aswell.
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