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    Quote Originally Posted by volosong View Post
    Stranger things have occured. I've found that I really enjoy getting my "television" news from Al Jezeera. While realizing that this broadcaster has somewhat of a bad name in this country, I find that it has unbiased reporting on international news. It's hard to find international news on traditional U.S. broadcasters. Unless an American is part of the story, it is a non-story. (I can get Al Jazeera on the Roku.)
    Yeah Al Jazeera is one of the stations I get on my "LiveStation" on the PC. France 24 is another. Both are kind of heavy on African news but so much better at international news in general. There are a couple of Al Jazeera features that I don't watch much. I don't dislike them but just aren't interested in them much (The Stream and South2North). I just switch to France 24 when they're on.

    And yeah I'd say they aren't as biased and much more informative than US stations on Middle East issues especially. They seem to cover the angles from both sides well. I don't always need my news about the impact of the US on world affairs sugar coated and don't really care what my fellow hicks think anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerryattrick View Post
    Switched on the TV & radio news this morning and couldn't get away from a certain imminent birth in the UK...

    Cycling is great for bringing calm to my life and cutting through the crap.
    Hi, my name is Jim and I listen to political talk shows while I ride.

    (The Royal Birth was the first item of discussion this morning here in Boston at 6AM).

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    Lets see

    MTV has become ?
    The network news is now Enterainment tonight
    The History channel has become the Pawn Stars Channel (used to be the Area 51channel)
    The History 2 channel has become the ghosts channel
    The National Geographic Channel has become the outdoor reality series channel
    The learning channel has become the stupidest reality show channel

    There is not much good programming on any of these. And the rest is complete garbage. Can you say "Honey Boo boo "

    Palladium and PBS are is the only channels that are what they purport to be. Wonder what garbage they will morph into

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    I may be the only one on this thread to feel so, but I am thrilled and excited to hear of the birth of the healthy, baby boy. I think his parents seem like a lovely couple, and with all the horrors we see and read about on a daily basis, it is nice to see something joyful celebrated. I can't wait until the next time someone I know visits Britain so that I can have them pick me up an commemorative tea-cup!

    Huzzah for the new Prince of Cambridge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss kenton View Post
    I may be the only one on this thread to feel so, but I am thrilled and excited to hear of the birth of the healthy, baby boy. I think his parents seem like a lovely couple, and with all the horrors we see and read about on a daily basis, it is nice to see something joyful celebrated. I can't wait until the next time someone I know visits Britain so that I can have them pick me up an commemorative tea-cup!

    Huzzah for the new Prince of Cambridge!

    I agree.
    I love stuff related to the Monarchy.
    In a world with so much ugliness and ME ME ME ME ME, I actually am
    happy some people can take time out to celebrate this happy, harmless
    little tidbit of history. Makes me want to dust off Eastenders rerun CD's
    and have a spot o tea for the new princelette
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerryattrick View Post
    Switched on the TV & radio news this morning and couldn't get away from a certain imminent birth in the UK.

    Went for a great 2.5 hour ride along the Taff Trail and the coast road, with a coffee and cake stop, and it felt so good.

    Returned home and still more of the same stuff lunchtime. The papers and all media will be full of it tomorrow, and probably for days - no, weeks - to come, so another long ride is on the cards.

    Cycling is great for bringing calm to my life and cutting through the crap.
    As a Canadian I am following the royal baby news, although I doubt I will live long enough to see this new born crowned, I am wishing William and Catherine well as they enjoy their new bundle of joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    I agree.
    I love stuff related to the Monarchy.
    In a world with so much ugliness and ME ME ME ME ME, I actually am
    happy some people can take time out to celebrate this happy, harmless
    little tidbit of history. Makes me want to dust off Eastenders rerun CD's
    and have a spot o tea for the new princelette
    Hahaha! I LOVED the Eastenders--the only soap opera I ever watched!

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    It's odd how people want to rip on others' interests and pleasures.

    I am sure there are millions who are happy that their TV air time is no longer sullied by what they think is a three-week, grass-growing, paint-drying torture called the Tour de France.

    Let others have their enjoyments in life like you want yours.
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    [QUOTE=miss kenton;15877680 I LOVED the Eastenders--the only soap opera I ever watched![/QUOTE]


    What!?!? You don't watch Downton Abby?
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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    I agree.
    I love stuff related to the Monarchy.
    In a world with so much ugliness and ME ME ME ME ME, I actually am
    happy some people can take time out to celebrate this happy, harmless
    little tidbit of history. Makes me want to dust off Eastenders rerun CD's
    and have a spot o tea for the new princelette
    There have been times and places where monarchy has been not much more than ugliness and ME ME ME ME ME.

    That said, the British royal family doesn't particularly bother me, though I find the fascination with them fascinating in itself. Why the commoners are so taken with the vestiges of a system that embodies the notion of nobility and inherent worthiness/unworthiness by virtue of birth, besides costing the nation a ton and a half of money to support, is beyond me. The best I can muster for it is "quaint." But that's just curmudgeonly me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
    Lets see

    MTV has become ?
    The network news is now Enterainment tonight
    The History channel has become the Pawn Stars Channel (used to be the Area 51channel)
    The History 2 channel has become the ghosts channel
    The National Geographic Channel has become the outdoor reality series channel
    The learning channel has become the stupidest reality show channel

    There is not much good programming on any of these. And the rest is complete garbage. Can you say "Honey Boo boo "

    Palladium and PBS are is the only channels that are what they purport to be. Wonder what garbage they will morph into

    That was the promise of cable TV - educational programming for the masses
    And National Lampoon is in the White House and the USA is their stage. Talk about reality TV, I would even watch that one. But, I would have to go buy a TV!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
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    Let others have their enjoyments in life like you want yours.
    Hmmm, this works on so many levels... I nominate yours for thought of the day.

    I think one of the best parts of cycling (at least for me) is being completely unplugged for however long I'm out riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkOwl View Post



    What!?!? You don't watch Downton Abby?
    Who said I don't watch Downton Abbey!?!?!?! ...and "The Midwife"...and "Rosemary and Thyme"???

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigB View Post
    There have been times and places where monarchy has been not much more than ugliness and ME ME ME ME ME.

    That said, the British royal family doesn't particularly bother me, though I find the fascination with them fascinating in itself. Why the commoners are so taken with the vestiges of a system that embodies the notion of nobility and inherent worthiness/unworthiness by virtue of birth, besides costing the nation a ton and a half of money to support, is beyond me. The best I can muster for it is "quaint." But that's just curmudgeonly me.
    I worked with a couple of Irishmen who claimed the royal family to be the wealthiest welfare recipients in the world. The tourists love them and for that they serve a purpose....I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biker395 View Post
    And to that, you can have anything to do with the Kardashians.
    OK, I'm unfamiliar with a Kardashian. I haven't seen one in this area. Are they carbon fiber, titanium, steel, or aluminum? Race or relaxed geometry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor j View Post
    OK, I'm unfamiliar with a Kardashian. I haven't seen one in this area. Are they carbon fiber, titanium, steel, or aluminum? Race or relaxed geometry?
    Actually wood, and a very hollow one at that. Not very strong and they seem to swell in size as they get older.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfast View Post
    I worked with a couple of Irishmen who claimed the royal family to be the wealthiest welfare recipients in the world. The tourists love them and for that they serve a purpose....I guess.
    It's a ludicrous system, no denying it. But even a devout republican (in the non-American sense of the word) like me has to admit that there are some advantages in separating the roles of Head of State and Head of Government, and in elevating the former above party politics. Turns it into a unifying figure, to an extent.

    Calling it a King or a Queen and choosing it on the hereditary principle is absurd, of course. But it seems popular, at the moment, and it isn't immediately easy to come up with an alternative system that wouldn't be divisive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfast View Post
    I worked with a couple of Irishmen who claimed the royal family to be the wealthiest welfare recipients in the world. The tourists love them and for that they serve a purpose....I guess.
    Love them ? now I can see why people's IQ are so low these days .

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    I haven't seen the "Kill Your Television" bumper sticker in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    It's a ludicrous system, no denying it. But even a devout republican (in the non-American sense of the word) like me has to admit that there are some advantages in separating the roles of Head of State and Head of Government, and in elevating the former above party politics. Turns it into a unifying figure, to an extent.

    Calling it a King or a Queen and choosing it on the hereditary principle is absurd, of course. But it seems popular, at the moment, and it isn't immediately easy to come up with an alternative system that wouldn't be divisive.
    Most of the Western Monarchies in existence today are a form called a Constitutional Monarchy, where the King or Queen, as head of state is not involved in the day to day running of government, which is often an elected parliamentary system. This is similar to a Parliamentary Republic where an elected head of state is basically a drop in replacement for such a monarch. Most of the power is held by the Parliament, with some reserve powers retained, the monarch (or a selected representative of the monarch) signs passed bills into law, and has the ability to dissolve Parliament forcing an election. One of the interesting points, maintaining the monarchy has a reasonable cost. It costs Britain about 90 million a year for the monarchy, contrast that to say the cost of say a US presidential election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogster View Post
    Most of the Western Monarchies in existence today are a form called a Constitutional Monarchy, where the King or Queen, as head of state is not involved in the day to day running of government, which is often an elected parliamentary system. This is similar to a Parliamentary Republic where an elected head of state is basically a drop in replacement for such a monarch. Most of the power is held by the Parliament, with some reserve powers retained, the monarch (or a selected representative of the monarch) signs passed bills into law, and has the ability to dissolve Parliament forcing an election. One of the interesting points, maintaining the monarchy has a reasonable cost. It costs Britain about 90 million a year for the monarchy, contrast that to say the cost of say a US presidential election.
    Thank you for the explanation. I have been a Brit all my life, though...

    The ability to dissolve Parliament is purely formal. If the Queen tried to "force" an election it would be seen as a breach of the convention that the Head of State is above politics, and the system would rapidly change to remove that power from her.

    As for how much the Monarchy costs, that is a moot point. The monarch currently receives 15% of the revenues from The Crown Estate, which owns vast amounts of property in the UK and has holdings worth about 8 bn. The remaining surplus goes to the Treasury. What would be done with that estate in the event that we became a republic is unknown, but it would probably simply be sold off.

    Arguably, though, the cost of the monarchy is not to be measured in financial terms. Its principal cost is probably that it is the most cherished part of a system that is inherently backward-looking, and finds it impossible to come to terms with the UKs place in the modern world. Britain has simply not got over the loss of Empire, and continues to live in a fantasy in which it really counts on the world stage and has the freedom of action, and the clout, to take an independent and effective line. The astonishing popularity of the current Queen is partly personal - she's been around a long time and conducted herself with considerable dignity - but the rest of the hype surrounding the monarchy seems to me to stem from their being a reminder of a simpler time when we ruled the world.

    Plus, a Royal family is an institution absolutely made for a culture that is obsessed with celebrity, of course. It's like the Truman Show with orbs and sceptres.
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    Many years ago we had a Russian school teacher come live with us while she was participating in a cultural exchange program at the Univ. of CT. While watching TV one night she remarked, "I didn't realize that you had so much propaganda on TV here." It's not simply political or left vs. right it's cultural and keeps us living in our little bubble disconnected from the reality of the rest of the planet.

    Don't get me started on the stupidity of the worship of the ""Royals."

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    It's like the Truman Show with orbs and sceptres.
    HA! I love that!
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    Come on guys! You mean to say you don't enjoy watching two hours of people cooking while being yelled at by some idiot who thinks his s**t doesn't stink. How can that not be exciting?
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