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Old 09-04-13, 10:58 AM   #1
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School buses and bicycles

Most of the time I am riding paved bike trails or in a local park. Because of my work schedule this week the only time I can ride is in the morning before going to work. While riding in my neighborhood this morning I got to wondering if I am allowed to go out and around a stopped school bus that is loading kids? Is it against the law to ride past one in the opposite lane loading while it is children?
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Old 09-04-13, 11:11 AM   #2
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probably, you're a vehicle subject to the same rights and laws ...
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Old 09-04-13, 11:21 AM   #3
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Most of the time I am riding paved bike trails or in a local park. Because of my work schedule this week the only time I can ride is in the morning before going to work. While riding in my neighborhood this morning I got to wondering if I am allowed to go out and around a stopped school bus that is loading kids? Is it against the law to ride past one in the opposite lane loading while it is children?
You (a bicyclist) have the same rights and duties as a driver of a car**. (This is the case in every state.)

Legally, you have to stop (just like you would in a car).

If you walk your bicycle, you are pedestrian (pedestrians don't have to stop).

(** Outside any explicit exceptions made in the law for bicyclists.)

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probably, you're a vehicle subject to the same rights and laws ...
Certainly (not "probably").

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Old 09-04-13, 03:10 PM   #4
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the same rules go for bikes as for cars!you are still a vehicle
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You (a bicyclist) have the same rights and duties as a driver of a car**. (This is the case in every state.)

Legally, you have to stop (just like you would in a car).

If you walk your bicycle, you are pedestrian (pedestrians don't have to stop).

(** Outside any explicit exceptions made in the law for bicyclists.)


Certainly (not "probably").
If in a hurry and concerned about being cited, dismounting and walking the bike might be your best option. I use this gambit in downtown Carlsbad when the new Denver-style "pedestrian scramble" (all vehicles stop, peds. go any direction they want, including diagonally) signals are on.
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Most of the time I am riding paved bike trails or in a local park. Because of my work schedule this week the only time I can ride is in the morning before going to work. While riding in my neighborhood this morning I got to wondering if I am allowed to go out and around a stopped school bus that is loading kids? Is it against the law to ride past one in the opposite lane loading while it is children?
Children taking school buses, are taught to wait for the bus to put his flashing lights on, then approach the bus, whether on the same or opposite side of the road. So, no you can't go around a stopped school bus, and you can't pass one going the other way, if the lights are on, while riding a bicycle. Too big a chance that if a kid is a little late, they may run for the bus without looking.
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I would never pass a stopped school bus. You only have to hit one child to destroy two, or more, lives. Besides, I am that thorn in the sides of the local school districts transportation supervisors who is constantly haranguing them for the illegal and often unsafe driving of their employees. They would love a video of me riding illegally, but I won't cooperate.
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If in a hurry and concerned about being cited, dismounting and walking the bike might be your best option. I use this gambit in downtown Carlsbad when the new Denver-style "pedestrian scramble" (all vehicles stop, peds. go any direction they want, including diagonally) signals are on.
Denver no longer has this "pedestrian scramble" known as the "Barnes Dance"

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I thought this would be a thread about how frequently school bus drivers buzz cyclists on the road. I hate seeing a school bus in my mirror more than anything else out there.

As for whether cyclists have to stop for buses to load/unload, that's a no-brainer. Of course we do.
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I thought this would be a thread about how frequently school bus drivers buzz cyclists on the road. I hate seeing a school bus in my mirror more than anything else out there.

As for whether cyclists have to stop for buses to load/unload, that's a no-brainer. Of course we do.
If you get buzzed by a school bus, note the date and bus #, call the company and complain. This applies to any commercial vehicle as well. They know which driver has which vehicle on a certain date, and will warn the driver. Chronic complaints about the same driver, is likely to result in that driver being taken off the road.
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If you get buzzed by a school bus, note the date and bus #, call the company and complain. This applies to any commercial vehicle as well. They know which driver has which vehicle on a certain date, and will warn the driver. Chronic complaints about the same driver, is likely to result in that driver being taken off the road.
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As far as the question goes, I'd stop.

As far as getting buzzed, I was riding yesterday in a bike lane on a busy street (45 mph posted) in the AM, and it seemed a school bus was awfully close to me on a curve, as it passed me I saw it's rear outside dually was all the way in my lane. The bike lane was probably only 5 or 6 ft wide at that point, and I was feeling pretty squeezed.

I really wasn't very happy about that.
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Even if it were legal, I don't think it would be safe for you or the students. I've noticed over the past few years that students in our area don't even look for the possibility of moving traffic when getting off the bus. It's just down the step, around the front and straight over to the other side without so much as a glance.
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Old 09-05-13, 11:56 AM   #14
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As far as the question goes, I'd stop.

As far as getting buzzed, I was riding yesterday in a bike lane on a busy street (45 mph posted) in the AM, and it seemed a school bus was awfully close to me on a curve, as it passed me I saw it's rear outside dually was all the way in my lane. The bike lane was probably only 5 or 6 ft wide at that point, and I was feeling pretty squeezed.

I really wasn't very happy about that.
I've had the mirror sticking out from my left handlebar taken off by a school bus while I couldn't get away due to one of those typical metal guardrails on the side of the road. I did indicate he was number one after he passed, only to be brushed off and given the horn by his wingman following close behind.

I complained to the bus company only to be told that they had filed a report that I was out in the traffic lane. I should have gone to war with them but I just walked away. If Go-Pros get smaller and cheaper I think all cyclists should wear one.


As to the OP, don't pass the school bus.
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If you get buzzed by a school bus, note the date and bus #, call the company and complain. This applies to any commercial vehicle as well. They know which driver has which vehicle on a certain date, and will warn the driver. Chronic complaints about the same driver, is likely to result in that driver being taken off the road.
It would be nice if it worked like that. I have worked for several commercial outfits and can tell you that taking a driver off the road because of complaints by the public is almost unheard of. The one company that would do so would only do it after the safety officer had counseled the driver and then spied on the driver to confirm that the driver isn't behaving properly. Even so, the driver was usually only removed for a week.

As I said previously, I have called my local school district numerous times to complain about unlawful/unsafe behavior on the part of their drivers. In spite of video evidence of illegal behavior, they have never even forced the drivers to take time off, let alone fired them.

There should be some special penalty for any commercial or public outfit that leaves a driver on the road after complaints about that driver and that penalty should hit the supervisors in their pockets. It's a good thing for those folks, and many others, that I'm not dictator.
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[QUOTE=B. Carfree;16034506]It would be nice if it worked like that. I have worked for several commercial outfits and can tell you that taking a driver off the road because of complaints by the public is almost unheard of. The one company that would do so would only do it after the safety officer had counseled the driver and then spied on the driver to confirm that the driver isn't behaving properly. Even so, the driver was usually only removed for a week.

That's what I think too (and I drive a school bus). Any school district, any town in the US. Find where the school buses are parked and you'll see a "drivers wanted" sign. We have a daily scramble to keep all of the routes covered.

I wouldn't attempt to justify every action of every school bus driver but I will say this: In addition to dealing with all of the same driving hazards as everyone else, we are also responsible for the safety and behavior of up to 84 students and we're facing the wrong way. There's a lot to see and nobody sees everything. Squeezing along the right side of a moving school bus in a crowded environment might not be the smartest thing for a bike rider to do.
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I thought this would be a thread about how frequently school bus drivers buzz cyclists on the road. I hate seeing a school bus in my mirror more than anything else out there.

As for whether cyclists have to stop for buses to load/unload, that's a no-brainer. Of course we do.
Me too. LOL. I had my fist experience being buzzed by school bus by a foot a week ago. Jeepers I didn't like that.
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