Sounds like a wonderful person...
Sounds like a wonderful person...
"It could be anything. Scrap booking, high-stakes poker, or the Santa Fe lifestyle. Just pick a dead-end and chill out 'till you die."
Yep, it seems like HGH would be more useful for aging athletes than EPO because of potential age-specific benefits
Not that I'm condoning it. I won't even take a tylenol.
I do question why an amateur racing organization even cares, and is it really even any of their business what meds (self-medication or otherwise) the old man is on.
The Master's Racing Forum has a good discussion about him in the hanging out thread, one of them raced against him regularly, and also had lost a title to him a short while back. Not much sympathy, rightly so in my own thoughts, the usual "he as a nice guy most of the time....." things.
He isn't the only one in USA Cycling amateur racing to get slapped this year either. I cannot wrap my mind around doping for anything, much less an amateur event, even a national title.
I remember all the steroid users in power lifting and body building that have died from various side effects back in the late 70's and early 80's when I was power lifting. Made a lasting impression on me, I left the sport and a gym because of the steroid use going on.
Ego. Some people have one as big as all outdoors.
Dave, Dave, Dave...........how stupid you must feel now. Dave was indirectly responsible for me getting into cycling. My brother (who got me interested in riding) and Dave trained and also raced a lot together in the 80's. My brother certainly isn't taking PED's as he is slower than I am now!
What Dave did was completely wrong so please don't take this the wrong way, but I do find it interesting that at even his age his competitive juices were such that he resorted to those illegal tactics to do whatever it took to stay as competitive as possible. Some folks just have a really hard time understanding that you just can't cheat age. And even to his own admission the stuff didn't even help him...dumb dumb dumb.
Also as a side, Pete Cannell (was mentioned in the article) was also found to be using PED's a couple years or so ago. He was the record holder for our Time Trials at the Speedway and had set the record during the time he was using. So after his positive test we removed him as the record holder and replaced him with the rider with the next best time.
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I have a prescription for a phd (nitroglycerin). If I'm popping those, I'll be on the phone to 911, not the podium. I have no problem with competitiveness, but I have limits, and no, winning is not everything. I am riding to extend my life and improve the quality of it.
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As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.
Similarly I have a prescription for testosterone injections (once a week) because of a damaged pituitary gland (hypopituitarism)--it is easy to overdo it but contrary to what most people believe it will not make you go faster, but it will improve healing muscles after a ride. I have to take other hormones as well and those also will not improve performances only quality of life!
It is pure stupidity and of course dangerous for a 62 year old to "juice up!"
Agreed, BD, same reasoning that brought the promoters of the big Gran Fondo in New York to institute testing last year for their event. They were concerned that the expensive prizes they were offering, high end bikes and such, would bring out the cheaters. it did and one in particular got popped. There was a big discussion thread about him and the testing in the 41 when this happened. Several posters there had rode in events with this guy and he did compete in local organized amateur racing. They all had noted his sudden increase in performance and said they saw this one coming. He said he was caught up in the head rush of being the big dog (no pun or slight towards you Dawg.)
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I thought that was a very thoughtful article. Here is one of the money quotes:Ever since I started Androgel I've been beating up on teenagers. Now I know why.“We’ve had other racers test positive, and I’ve been approached by racers who are, let’s just say, enraged,” she said. “You look at them, and you know when people are throwing bicycles at you, or you start to worry that they might whip out a gun and shoot you, you start to wonder if there is more to it than anger management, if it may in fact be some sort of chemical fueling that rage.”
She also said there has been what seems to be an unusual amount of fist fights in recent years, particularly among masters racers. At one race last year, one middle-aged rider got into a fight with a 15-year-old boy.
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/12/...#storylink=cpy
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All this is to say nothing about the sheer stupidity, pointlessness, and indeed ridiculousness of 'doping' in amateur sport -- cycling or anything else. One can understand and have a little more sympathy for Mr. LeDuc's motivation than for, say, that of the moron who was caught out at the GFNY a while back, but not much. The latter was simply risible; Mr. LeDuc was at least competing at a serious level in a real race.
I respectfully disagree with the notion about being testing in Cat 1-5 racing being unfair. Being fair in a competition means applying the set and agreed upon rules equally to all participants. In taking a USA Cycling license you agree to not use prohibited substances listed. Testing for someone using prohibited substances they knew to be so isn't unfair, its following the rules fairly. If someone doesn't want to be tested don't compete, you know the rules when you take the license and enter the race. Or find a cycling league or event that is dumb enough to allow PEDS and such to just run rampant (spare me the remarks about the UCI and Verbruggen/McQuaid, please.)
I think you can condemn the cheaters' actions and at the same time draw a line at intrusive enforcement.
The simplest way would be removing the restrictions, as long as the chemicals are legal. Everyone would have the same choices, the same opportunity. I have the feeling that that's probably not what you're looking for.
So if the performance enhancing drugs are illegal, have law enforcement pursue it and at least that way our civil rights are protected. To some degree.
OK, you want to keep the prohibitions in the licenses and agreements when people compete. If a cheat wins he has committed fraud and would be liable in civil court. Collect your evidence, take them to court and prove your case. If you cannot show a preponderance of evidence you don't win, and don't deserve to, just as with any other civil case.
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I find the drug testing at jobs more of an intrusion as they can detect traces of substances long after they have stopped having undesirable effects with regard to job performance or safety.
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This guy been doping long before he was old enough to post in this forum.... You really believe his own admission?
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Having to have a doctor or machine to measure hematocrit takes the sport completely out of the realm of what should be amateur sports where teens compete. And this is not the only case where an amateur got busted for PEDs. So if I had a kid into the sport it would be fine with me if testing were common.
Personally I can much better understand pros doing this for big money, especially when the atmosphere pressured riders into going along with the program. But to do this in the amateurs is just nuts. If I were benevolent dictator I'd be dealing out lifetime bans for bringing this kind of PED into amateur sports.
This old fool must have had to turn somebody else over for this to get only a two year ban.
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