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    Ye 42, bring unto me your tale of suffering.

    "42" is my designation for over 50 cyclists who do not race and hence don't belong in the "33", but are on some sort of formal training program aiming at some sort of goal.

    "42" is chosen because no one here uses it, unlike 41 or 33. It is also the answer to the meaning of life, the universe, and pretty much everything.

    As I've mentioned ad nauseum, I'm doing the easiest of the TCTP, aiming to do the Redbud ride century in April. If I do well, I'm going to do the Kentucky three century in a year challenge, which is pretty tough.

    I do my field test on Saturday, which will allow precise calculation of my pitifully low FTP. The program starts Monday.

    I'm hoping this will keep me, and you perhaps, from bagging it after a week or two.

    Anyone else?

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    I suffer in silence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    "42" is my designation for over 50 cyclists who do not race and hence don't belong in the "33", but are on some sort of formal training program aiming at some sort of goal.

    "42" is chosen because no one here uses it, unlike 41 or 33. It is also the answer to the meaning of life, the universe, and pretty much everything.

    As I've mentioned ad nauseum, I'm doing the easiest of the TCTP, aiming to do the Redbud ride century in April. If I do well, I'm going to do the Kentucky three century in a year challenge, which is pretty tough.

    I do my field test on Saturday, which will allow precise calculation of my pitifully low FTP. The program starts Monday.

    I'm hoping this will keep me, and you perhaps, from bagging it after a week or two.

    Anyone else?
    Hey dudelsack, maybe you should quit typing and just ride OK, I'm ducking a bit, but really hope it works for you, looking forward to your progress
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rwc5830 View Post
    Hey dudelsack, maybe you should quit typing and just ride OK, I'm ducking a bit, but really hope it works for you, looking forward to your progress
    Appreciate the advice.

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    I do a ten week century training program that I saw published in BICYCLING MAGAZINE years ago. There are two variations, called Easy Century Training, or With Strength to Spare. I do the latter one, and it is about the most time I can spare to train. Fortunately I cycle commute, so that's where I do it by lengthening my usual 14 mile one way distance (Commuter Rail home with bike). I find that the schedule motivates me to keep up, and it's very satisfying to plug the data into my Excel spreadsheet and watch the charts expand. My modification of the plan is to make Sunday my rest day, and Saturday is my long ride / Century day.

    Code:
    WITH  STRENGTH TO SPARE:
    Mon.	Tues.	Wed.	Thurs.	Fri.	Sat.	Sun.	Weekly
    Easy*	Pace*	Brisk*		Pace*	Pace*	Pace*	Mileage
    10	12	14	Off	12	40	15	103
    10	13	15	Off	13	44	17	112
    10	15	15	Off	15	48	18	123
    11	16	19	Off	16	53	20	135
    12	18	20	Off	18	59	22	149
    13	19	23	Off	19	64	24	162
    14	20	25	Off	20	71	27	177
    16	20	27	Off	20	75	27	177
    17	20	30	Off	20	75	32	194
    19	20	30	Off	10	5 Easy	Century	184
    							
    							1,516
    
    EASY CENTURY TRAINING:
    Week	Mon.	Tues.	Wed.	Thurs.	Fri.	Sat.	Sun.	Weekly
    	Easy*	Pace*	Brisk*		Pace*	Pace*	Pace*	Mileage
    1	6	10	12	Off	10	30	9	77
    2	7	11	13	Off	11	34	10	86
    3	8	13	15	Off	13	38	11	98
    4	8	14	17	Off	14	42	13	108
    5	9	15	19	Off	15	47	14	119
    6	11	15	21	Off	15	53	16	131
    7	12	15	24	Off	15	59	18	143
    8	13	15	25	Off	15	65	20	153
    9	15	15	25	Off	15	65	20	155
    Cent Week	15	15	25	Off	10	5 Easy	Century	170
    Due to vagaries of New England weather, I usually begin in April, for the first Century in July. For the past few years it's been one of the Annual Bike Forum Fifty-Plus Rides. I usually retrench down to about week six through late July and August, and ramp up in September for a second late September local annual charity ride (The Rodman Ride for Kids). Then I gradually taper down and by November I slog my way through winter with my minimal 14 mile commute (as daily as possible) until April again.

    Thus goest my Cycling Year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    "42" is my designation for over 50 cyclists who do not race and hence don't belong in the "33", but are on some sort of formal training program aiming at some sort of goal.

    "42" is chosen because no one here uses it, unlike 41 or 33. It is also the answer to the meaning of life, the universe, and pretty much everything.

    As I've mentioned ad nauseum, I'm doing the easiest of the TCTP, aiming to do the Redbud ride century in April. If I do well, I'm going to do the Kentucky three century in a year challenge, which is pretty tough.

    I do my field test on Saturday, which will allow precise calculation of my pitifully low FTP. The program starts Monday.

    I'm hoping this will keep me, and you perhaps, from bagging it after a week or two.

    Anyone else?
    Except that 42 is the meaning of life, I have no idea what you said.

    I don't train, I ride nearly every day. I like to ride my age a couple of times a week during the warm season, and take a few trips each year. I just have fun. Does that fit in anywhere there?

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    Technically, if you need a number, the 50+ forum is designated 220.

    Since I have no plans to do a century any time soon,( been there, done that, got bored at 70 miles), my training is zen-like in that I ride when I feel like it for as long as I feel like it.
    "He who serves all, best serves himself" Jack London

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    Just dont bother with those event rides , which are all requiring me to drop a bundle,
    just to get there and Back ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
    I do a ten week century training program …I find that the schedule motivates me to keep up, and it's very satisfying to plug the data into my Excel spreadsheet and watch the charts expand.

    Quote Originally Posted by irwin7638 View Post
    … I don't train, I ride nearly every day. I like to ride my age a couple of times a week during the warm season, and take a few trips each year. I just have fun. Does that fit in anywhere there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    … my training is zen-like in that I ride when I feel like it for as long as I feel like it.
    .
    These different outlooks on cycling reminded me of reading The Unoffical Guide to Walt Disney World wherein were described two different types of visitors; those who planned minute-by-minute, and those who wandered as they wished.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Unoffical Guide to Walt Disney World
    ”Your book reads like the operations plan for an amphibious landing: Go here, do this, proceed to Step 15…. what happened to the satisfaction of self-discovery or the joy of spontaneity?”
    I spent the entire train trip from Boston to Orlando reading that book, and then re-read it on the trip home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irwin7638 View Post
    Except that 42 is the meaning of life, I have no idea what you said.

    I don't train, I ride nearly every day. I like to ride my age a couple of times a week during the warm season, and take a few trips each year. I just have fun. Does that fit in anywhere there?

    Marc
    Of course.

    The "did you ride today" works.

    I'm no elitist, so post here if you want.

    However, this might not be the place to post stuff like, "this is stupid, why would anyone bother", or "I must be free as a bird, programs would clip my wings".

    True enough, just don't post it here please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
    These different outlooks on cycling reminded me of reading The Unoffical Guide to Walt Disney World wherein were described two different types of visitors; those who planned minute-by-minute, and those who wandered as they wished.


    I spent the entire train trip from Boston to Orlando reading that book, and then re-read it on the trip home.
    Jim,
    I'm anxious to know, did you learn anything the second time you read it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by irwin7638 View Post
    Jim,
    I'm anxious to know, did you learn anything the second time you read it?
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    I don't think I learned anything new; I just re-lived the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
    I don't think I learned anything new; I just re-lived the experience.
    That's enough by itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    Of course.

    The "did you ride today" works.

    I'm no elitist, so post here if you want.

    However, this might not be the place to post stuff like, "this is stupid, why would anyone bother", or "I must be free as a bird, programs would clip my wings".

    True enough, just don't post it here please.
    You might have misunderstood my post. I'm not questioning the intelligence of any method.
    I literally don't understand what you are talking about. TCTP? Redbud century, I assume a charity ride, calculation of pitifully low FTP?
    I thought this was a satirical extension of the fact that 42 is the meaning of life. Sorry to offend.

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    I read that book, too. I planned each day and photocopied the schedule in order to maximize the experience.

    My family and I loved it. Best family vacation ever.

    Slept for two days when we got back. Hardest vacation ever, and that included some ski vacations way back when.

    Im glad I stumbled onto the book. BTW, weirdly, the science drive-in was our favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irwin7638 View Post
    You might have misunderstood my post. I'm not questioning the intelligence of any method.
    I literally don't understand what you are talking about. TCTP? Redbud century, I assume a charity ride, calculation of pitifully low FTP?
    I thought this was a satirical extension of the fact that 42 is the meaning of life. Sorry to offend.

    Marc
    I'm taking a real SWAG here, but I think TCTP might be Triple Century Training Program, and FTP might be Fitness Training Program?

    BTW, my method of training for a century is the Nike method: Just Do It. In the past, one I've liked to do is the Horsey Hundred, which I usually do with about 150 miles under my belt prior. It's always at least double my longest ride of the season up to that point. Although the last time I did it, they didn't feed us lunch until AFTER the century. That's a long way to ride on only munchies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by irwin7638 View Post
    You might have misunderstood my post. I'm not questioning the intelligence of any method.
    I literally don't understand what you are talking about. TCTP? Redbud century, I assume a charity ride, calculation of pitifully low FTP?
    I thought this was a satirical extension of the fact that 42 is the meaning of life. Sorry to offend.

    Marc
    Gee, my written expression is woefully deficient. No offense taken by any part of your post. Sorry if it came across that way. Need more of these, I guess

    TCTP = Time Crunched Training Program.

    Redbud Ride = cool regional ride in April. In da boonies of central Kentucky. First in a series of centuries in our state, all of which are very hilly.

    I can ride forever on flat terrain, but climbing kicks my butt. I'm hoping to get better at it, hence the program.

    FTP = Functional Threshhold Power, the wattage you can generate for a full hour. Closely related to but not the same as lactate Threshhold.

    Chris Carmichael's The time-crunched cyclist. For the next 11 weeks, carries more authority than the Bible/Origen of the species/Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy or maybe even the Huffington Post.

    No expert. I just read his book over the holidays. I'm trying to answer a question posed on another thread: is there any hope for us slackers over 60? I intend to find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    Gee, my written expression is woefully deficient. No offense taken by any part of your post. Sorry if it came across that way. Need more of these, I guess

    TCTP = Time Crunched Training Program.

    Redbud Ride = cool regional ride in April. In da boonies of central Kentucky. First in a series of centuries in our state, all of which are very hilly.

    I can ride forever on flat terrain, but climbing kicks my butt. I'm hoping to get better at it, hence the program.

    FTP = Functional Threshhold Power, the wattage you can generate for a full hour. Closely related to but not the same as lactate Threshhold.

    Chris Carmichael's The time-crunched cyclist. For the next 11 weeks, carries more authority than the Bible/Origen of the species/Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy or maybe even the Huffington Post.

    No expert. I just read his book over the holidays. I'm trying to answer a question posed on another thread: is there any hope for us slackers over 60? I intend to find out.
    With all that laid out before me, there is no hope. It's too much like thinkin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    Gee, my written expression is woefully deficient. No offense taken by any part of your post. Sorry if it came across that way. Need more of these, I guess

    TCTP = Time Crunched Training Program.

    Redbud Ride = cool regional ride in April. In da boonies of central Kentucky. First in a series of centuries in our state, all of which are very hilly.

    I can ride forever on flat terrain, but climbing kicks my butt. I'm hoping to get better at it, hence the program.

    FTP = Functional Threshhold Power, the wattage you can generate for a full hour. Closely related to but not the same as lactate Threshhold.

    Chris Carmichael's The time-crunched cyclist. For the next 11 weeks, carries more authority than the Bible/Origen of the species/Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy or maybe even the Huffington Post.

    No expert. I just read his book over the holidays. I'm trying to answer a question posed on another thread: is there any hope for us slackers over 60? I intend to find out.
    I'm working on doing GOBA this June. It's not the hardest of the multi-day tours, being 250 or so miles in 7 days with two layoff/supplemental riding days. However, my riding and that of Mrs Road Fan has been woefully poor the past two years, due to jobs that were way harder than we thought they'd be. So we're trying to get more disciplined this time. We've never really succeeded at this, and I've read a lot about training programs. So far my favorite and most-understandable is Jim Friel's "cycling past 50." In the past we've been more like Blazing, Just Do It. This year, we need to Just Do More, and I am convinced there are some high-volume weeks we should have before the event.

    I also read TCTP, and what turns me off from that is that he says this program should not be continued after you complete your goal, race, tour, brevet, or whatever. The program has in some way taxed your capital rather than taken advantage of your earnings, and some basic capability needs to be rebuilt afterwards, before you should take on something else, like maybe a few 200k's. I'm always concerned about building up my joint and butt capabilities, not breaking them down quickly. I think this program is extra-stressful in some way. I think the Friel programs are well-paced.

    Biggest challenge is winter training. The plan I'm making has us starting base/endurance training (indoor or outdoor rides in a growth pattern designed by Mike and Dede Barry) by the third week of January and starting outdoor training focused on the tour in April.

    That's the model, at least. I really just need to build up to a hella long week a few weeks before the event, then recover before the event. But I've found having a plan and trying to follow it gets me farther than having no plan and not getting very far.

    Besides, One Helluva Ride is right after GOBA, and after I've spent a 25 hour week in the saddle, it should not be a big stretch to do an OHR 100, a 10 or so hour day in the saddle.

    As far as reforming slackerhood, Dude, I think the answer is yes. But don't hurt anything! It takes us longer to heal, and that involves another recovery with attendant lost time.

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    Riding 200k this Saturday, forecast is 20 mph wind.
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    Sorry, ended up double-posting!

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    Good luck Dudelsack, very brave (or foolish?) of you if you agree to keep us informed of the progress of the plan.

    I'll be interested in the results of your experiment, although I know I'm neither dedicated nor disciplined enough to follow any program for more than a couple of days. I'm planning (hoping) to improve my cycling this year (whatever that means), but in a much more haphazard way i.e. just riding more.

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    One of my post-lottery dreams is to ride the Pacific Atlantic Cycling (PAC) Tour, a well-supported cross country ride of less than 30 days led by Lon Haldeman, an early winner of the RAAM. The suggested training regimen is amazing:

    Three Months Before PAC Tour:
    •150-200 miles per week
    •One day per week over 100 miles
    •One long 150 mile ride during the month
    •Hang in the back of a fast group (20+ MPH) 30 miles per week

    Two Months Before PAC Tour:
    •200-250 miles per week
    •One or two days per week over 100 miles
    •One 200 mile ride during the month
    •Ride in the middle of a fast group 30 miles per week

    One Month Before PAC Tour:
    •250 - 350 miles per week
    •Two days per week over 100 miles
    •Ride a 200 mile event under 14 hours
    •Ride in the front of a fast group for 30 miles per week

    Maybe I'll just revert to my other dream to ride the perimeter of the USA, at my own pace (estimated at ~70-80 miles / day)

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    42=Jackie Robinson

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    I'd have done "300" for the Spartans!

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