Siu Blue Wind

Oh by the way, if anyone wants access to P and R, pm me.

CommuteCommando

I finally got P&R privileges because of what I feel is sometimes a heavy handed policy. I agree with Goldfinch about vitriol, but like to discuss things that are relevant, like the recent posting on the passing of Pete Seeger, that got moved, probably because of a comment I made. I was a fan of the man, and his politics. If you know anything about him, no real tribute could be made to him that did not include his politics.

Bill Kapaun

Who moderates the moderaters?

Siu Blue Wind

CbadRider, Lotek, Tom, and I

Dudelsack 

That's like that AT&T commercial: "Let me speak to the manager." "Sir, I AM the manager." "Finally, we're getting somewhere...."

Siu Blue Wind

LOL!! Yes, funny how you say that. There are quite a few forums that don't have moderators on them. Some like it that way. What's ironic is that they sign up here, read the rules, agree to them and then get mad that we enforce them. What they dont realize is that because we don't have time to read every thread, a lot of our actions are based on what is complained about.

I dont' know... Darned if we do, darned if we don't.

wphamilton

Is anyone else struck by the parallels of the feelings expressed here and the theory that this kind of ambivalence - the parents viewed as both love-object and object of rivalry - is probably a precondition for the institution of an identification? The "identification" being of course the perceived self-similarities with attributes associated with a social group. Or is that just a counter-transference on my part?

Maybe I'm over-thinking it. But if we can't see the humor in that, then all is lost.

Dan Burkhart 

Well, how about we take a vote? I'm for it.

wphamilton

Against. Keep it cycling - no need to make it more closed and insular than it already is.

Why not leave it here and add a 50+ lounge, then move the Pub and add threads for, I dunno, "Whines and Gripes", "Get off my lawn", and "Colonoscopy Photos"? (Just ribbing, not meant to point at anyone in particular)

No offence intended guys, but there are a lot of cyclists over 50, and I suspect they're more interested in cycling topics in the cycling forum.

Siu Blue Wind

So to be clear, there will no more 50+ cycling at all, is that what you want? This whole subsection to be deleted and nil from the forum completely?

Siu Blue Wind

Oh by the way, what I find very ironic is that the same person(s) who complained about the political content are the same one(s) complaining about its move.

TejanoTrackie 

I think you should start a new "Complainers and Whiners" subforum.

DiabloScott

I vote we keep it here as is, and let the mods decide when and how to mod... like it is now.

CommuteCommando

USN "Gator Fleet" 1975-79, hauling marines to the beach as an LCM Engineer. Now a Veteran for Peace also.

StanSeven

How's that?

Dan Burkhart 

Here's the thing. I come here to hang out with fellow 50 plus cyclists, or those that have interests relating to cycling, but sometimes we like to engage in off topic chit chat. That seemed to be working pretty well here for the most part, but then someone created Pub 51 and decreed that anything not directly related to cycling go there. It became known as the place where perfectly good topics go to die.
If moving the forum to the lounge means it can function more or less the way it did before Pub 51 came along, I say again, I'm in favor. Nothing saying cycling can't be the dominant topic there, is there?
Just one thing though. I am not in favor of an upgraded membership requirement. If that is a requirement for participation in the lounge, then I would not support the move.

Gerryattrick

I disagree as as far as I can see the 50+ is primarily cycling related to a very large degree, with occasional off-topic threads.

Pub51 was set up to cover anything general and way off topic. No need for any further adjustments.

In moderation, as with cycling, the riding is much easier if you don't grip too hard when steering.

Dudelsack 

If you are directing this at me, and I have no idea if you are or not, I didn't have a problem with the thread being moved. I thought it was the same 4 posters beatifying ol' Pete over and over. It was clearly political and should have been moved after the first several posts.

I wasn't happy about the slice and dice on my nonpolitical but snarky by intent post.

I really really wasn't happy that a private PM of mine was circulated amongst the mods, which is a violation of your own guidelines.

But now I'm just a rabble rouser, nothing more and nothing less.

Honest to goodness, and I hope I hear an Amen or two to this: I come here for the posters, not the moderators. If you all went on vacation to some nice sunny land where the roads are low on traffic and the temperature is 70F year round, I would rejoice in your good fortune and pray that you did not have internet access.

NOS88

I don't think it's wise to fix what ain't broken. The life of the 50+ will always and should always have the occasional thread moved. And, when it's moved there will always and should always be some who are annoyed by the action. Otherwise we'd all be acting like robots and marching to the beat of a single drummer. It seems that folks have expressed their views and it's time to move on. Well, maybe it's more accurate to say that it's time for me to stop reading any new posts in this particular thread.

CommuteCommando

No, it's a Masi! Don't you realize Dave Stoller was the second coming?

Bikey Mikey

Methinks he(we) doth protest too much and this is much ado about nothing, or little.

I don't see it as a big deal that it was moved. I used to administrate a major site and also a gaming site, so I understand what it takes and what mods and admins have to deal with. IMHO, and an experienced one too, we get a lot of leeway on the 50+ and the mods/admins are quite even handed--of course, your opinion may be different.

MinnMan

I was one of the participants in the Pete Seeger thread and while I was posting I was aware that it was migrating to being too political. I don't mind at all that it got kicked over there - it kind of deserved it.

But I was surprised when I realized that I don't have posting privileges over on P&R. Does that require some other kind of membership, or is it granted based on good behavior or something?

Guys, I think you are giving the mods too much flack. They do a pretty good job. If they don't make every call perfectly, it's not a big deal. It's just the d#mned internet, after all. If anybody is feeling a little overheated about this, go take it out on your trainer (or your bike if you ride in the winter), not the mods.

Bikey Mikey

I thought the reason you couldn't reply in P&R was that you had to be an elite, paid, member, but I am and I can't reply. So, there is some other reason. Not a big deal--at least to me.

bruce19

Well then...I am complaining about the people who are complaining.

bruce19

exactly.