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    Quote Originally Posted by berner View Post
    I think Carbonfiberboy has hit the nail on the head. As a buddhist sympathizer, and while happy experiences are always welcome, I work toward rich experiences. One way is to pay close attention to every aspect of life. In riding the bike, I really like the way a bike seems to come alive at higher speeds and consequently, I seem to come a bit more alive also. I enjoy working toward smoother riding, pedaling, bike handling, whatever.
    Each to his/her own. I relish transient amusement, blind consumption and haphazard existence. I mean, it's worked well enough so far...I'm going to the Apple store to get a new iPad so I can watch my Miley Cyrus videos.

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    As far as the doing what's comfortable argument goes: What's been comfortable for you while riding alone might not apply when you find yourself riding with faster riding partners. That's when some people find a need to adjust to a different cadence when they run out of steam mashing the heavier gear to keep up. There is an adjustment period, as a vaguely recall . But once you stop getting winded at the higher RPMs you might find the right niche for your riding style if you've been having trouble running out of steam keeping up with partners on the heavier gears......ymmv depending on your personal physical makeup.

    That was kind of my experience as I began road biking 35 years ago.
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    My head is spinning.....at a cadence unknown.
    Having a flat tire as part of the total cycling experience is highly overrated. Knowing how to fix one quickly is not.

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    Zinger brought up another thing that I've been doing so long I've forgotten about it. When you're in a paceline, pedal the cadence of most of the riders in front of you. That way your bike will respond to you like their bikes respond to them. You'll be a smoother part of the line and less likely to get gaps or run up on people. When they go up, you go up, when they sit, you sit, etc.

    Which brings another thing to mind: when on the front on a flat and it's a windy day, hold the gear and cadence, not the effort. Keep a cadence you can maintain. Makes it so much easier on everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinger View Post
    As far as the doing what's comfortable argument goes: What's been comfortable for you while riding alone might not apply when you find yourself riding with faster riding partners. That's when some people find a need to adjust to a different cadence when they run out of steam mashing the heavier gear to keep up. There is an adjustment period, as a vaguely recall . But once you stop getting winded at the higher RPMs you might find the right niche for your riding style if you've been having trouble running out of steam keeping up with partners on the heavier gears......ymmv depending on your personal physical makeup.

    That was kind of my experience as I began road biking 35 years ago.
    Yeah, a lot of things were different 35-45-55 years ago.......................... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
    My belief is that enjoyment is related to the practice of paying very close attention to everything. It's a practice.
    I 100% feel the same way. I'm new to cycling, bought my first road bike exactly one year ago today. I ask zillions of questions, mostly about training, and can't tell you how many people have told me I'm over thinking things. I'm sorry but to my way of thinking that's almost impossible.

    I also don't really understand just riding your bike. I want to figure out how to go about things to make myself a better cyclist in the most efficient way possible. Every ride of mine has a purpose and is a training ride in some way and I try to ride each one in a pretty specific way. I have high cadence rides, I have climbing rides, I have hill repeat rides, I have easy rides, I used to have distance rides but now those are combined with other rides. In each one of those rides I'm doing something specific with my gearing, my pedaling, my heart rate, etc. And none of this is in any way bleak- I ride with friends and nobody likes cycling more than I do, I even make other people like cycling more because I'm having such a great time out there.

    More power to the people who just want to ride at whatever cadence or in whatever way they feel like it at the moment, I would never criticize or superimpose my way of doing things on someone else. Everyone should ride in whatever way makes sense to them & maximizes their enjoyment of cycling. Just to me it's more enjoyable if each ride sets you up in some way for the next ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Yeah, a lot of things were different 35-45-55 years ago.......................... LOL
    Yeah, I'm a heck of a lot better rider than I was 50 years ago when I did my first century. I was clueless and didn't even know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Yeah, a lot of things were different 35-45-55 years ago.......................... LOL
    Yeah, like the gears I could push at about 90 rpm before a decade layoff. I do remember not being the only one benefiting from the higher cadence though. Lots of newbies would come out to the LBS parking lot sunday rides and get dropped as soon as the guys warmed up. Most of those that I recall were mashers and the advice to them was usually to gear down and speed up the cadence for a few weeks and come back and try again.

    One thing that hasn't changed though is occasionally getting blown out by somebody keeping a much lower cadence than me......then and now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
    Zinger brought up another thing that I've been doing so long I've forgotten about it. When you're in a paceline, pedal the cadence of most of the riders in front of you. That way your bike will respond to you like their bikes respond to them. You'll be a smoother part of the line and less likely to get gaps or run up on people. When they go up, you go up, when they sit, you sit, etc.
    That involves lots of soft pedaling or no/little pedaling in a good paceline. On team tt's, the rider in front maintains an average cadence of 90 while others do around 75-78. There was a good video a couple years ago showing all the data from several teams including rider's hr's and power output
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.

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    After my bike fitting I've managed to get two rides in to see the result. My saddle was raised a tad over 2 cm and back a bit. Two things leap out at me. One is that I have a lot more power in my pedal stroke. The other is a serious change in cadence. Whereas, before the fitting, I could easily spin up to 100 rpm and could also get to 120 rpm without bouncing. It required attention on my part but wasn't particularly difficult. With the new position I have to concentrate to get to 95 rpm. OTOH I don't really need to get to higher rpms to get some serious power and it doesn't feel stressful to pedal at those lower rpms.

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    Hey bruce19 great to hear that you're really getting back on track. My guess is that you'll be able to smooth out in your new postition in time. Given what you've experienced, this sounds like a real success story so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrankyFranky View Post
    Hey bruce19 great to hear that you're really getting back on track. My guess is that you'll be able to smooth out in your new postition in time. Given what you've experienced, this sounds like a real success story so far.
    Thanks. I'm feeling better than I have since I stopped cycling about 20 yrs. ago. Picked it up again about 10 yrs. ago and with the loss of 15 lbs. (thanks to my hospital stay) am really feeling good and very optimistic about this season. Thanks for thinking about me.

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    FWIW after the fitting my saddle height was 93 cm. from pedal spindle to top of saddle. And, in cycling socks my inseam is 32.25" (82 cm) just for a frame of reference. I dropped it yesterday to 92.5 cm and will see if it makes any difference today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathpack View Post

    I also don't really understand just riding your bike.

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    Nothing to understand.

    Lots of people do it.

    It's a bit like saying I don't understand just walking, lots of people also do that without trying to improve technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerryattrick View Post
    Nothing to understand.

    Lots of people do it.

    It's a bit like saying I don't understand just walking, lots of people also do that without trying to improve technique.
    I'm not criticizing anyone who just rides their bike. There lots of things I don't understand in life and don't necessarily try to: reality TV, women who make everything about something else, what it would be like to have a job that ended at a specific time, string theory, etc. I freely admit that I'm probably the oddball here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
    On team tt's, the rider in front maintains an average cadence of 90 while others do around 75-78.
    Not when the TTT is team pursuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathpack View Post
    I'm not criticizing anyone who just rides their bike. There lots of things I don't understand in life and don't necessarily try to: reality TV, women who make everything about something else, what it would be like to have a job that ended at a specific time, string theory, etc. I freely admit that I'm probably the oddball here.

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    Fine.

    I got to thinking, while I was looking at the "I hate the cold" thread. Why on earth did our ancient homonid ancestors leave the serene beauty of the African savanna and go up to Eurasia in the middle of the damn Ice Age (don't quibble with my dates), trek across Siberia, and go over the Tina Fey land bridge to Alaska? I mean, WTF were they thinking?

    That's what I'd like to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    Fine.

    I got to thinking, while I was looking at the "I hate the cold" thread. Why on earth did our ancient homonid ancestors leave the serene beauty of the African savanna and go up to Eurasia in the middle of the damn Ice Age (don't quibble with my dates), trek across Siberia, and go over the Tina Fey land bridge to Alaska? I mean, WTF were they thinking?

    That's what I'd like to know.
    They were hungry, I assume. Vast herd of wooly mammoth are a powerful inducement.

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    I think I do understand why people get enjoyment out of improving techniques, such as cadence, in their chosen activity. I used to be that way about tennis, squash, football etc, but not so much in cycling since I returned to it a few years back.

    My problem is that, up until now, my cycling has been mainly off-road mtb where cadence is still important, but relatively less so than in road cycling. I'm hoping to do more road miles this year so may well take more notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathpack View Post
    They were hungry, I assume. Vast herd of wooly mammoth are a powerful inducement.

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    Poor decision. Monkey meat works fine, and according to some theories they caused extinction of the mammoths. They should have stayed put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    Poor decision. Monkey meat works fine, and according to some theories they caused extinction of the mammoths. They should have stayed put.
    I have one word in response: Kuru.

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    I said monkey meat, not monkey brains. Geez. Although I understand they are pretty tasty.

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    Great. Now my head is really spinning. The cadence has seemed to increase.
    Having a flat tire as part of the total cycling experience is highly overrated. Knowing how to fix one quickly is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerryattrick View Post
    Nothing to understand.

    Lots of people do it.

    It's a bit like saying I don't understand just walking, lots of people also do that without trying to improve technique.
    I've worked on my walking technique, too. There's a lot to it. How far apart side-to-side your footplants are, rocking or pivoting the body or shoulders, length of stride, toe-out, butt positioning. When climbing, there are two techniques depending on grade: holding the knee angle relatively constant and powering from the hips, or bending the knee like climbing stairs. On smaller grades one can trade back and forth. I usually pay attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
    I've worked on my walking technique, too. There's a lot to it. How far apart side-to-side your footplants are, rocking or pivoting the body or shoulders, length of stride, toe-out, butt positioning. When climbing, there are two techniques depending on grade: holding the knee angle relatively constant and powering from the hips, or bending the knee like climbing stairs. On smaller grades one can trade back and forth. I usually pay attention.
    And then there's the whole foot/ground interface thing. Shoes, no shoes. If shoes, minimalist, standard or the new super cushioned trail runners (Hokas). And laces - so many choices. But that's nothing compared to socks. Or not socks. And insoles. Custom ones from podiatrists, semi-custom thermo formed, SuperSoles or Dr. Scholls. Where does it end??!!???
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