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The book "just ride" pretty much states my approach to cycling. The fact is that 99.999% of us are not professional riders, so why worry yourself about what they would do. Your ride today, tomorrow, or the next day is not a ride in the Tour in France. Just relax enjoy the ride, let your cadence spin at what ever feels right. Dont worry about what you wear, or what kind of bike you are riding. Adopt the attitude that I am riding for MY enjoyment and the heck with what anyone else thinks. Look at it logically. Your cadence should be what is comfortable for you not what some other person says it should be.
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(BTW, who said I was objecting to claims about cadence? My own typically runs between 90 and 100rpm, has been that fast for a long time. I prefer spinning to mashing, and don't care how others ride.)
It's posts like this that have me on the verge of giving up on this sub-forum.
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If you are happy with how you ride and uninterested in the topic of cadence, why are you reading this thread in the first place if it isn't simply to scold those of us who have priorities different from yours?
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If you are happy with how you ride and uninterested in the topic of cadence, why are you reading this thread in the first place if it isn't simply to scold those of us who have priorities different from yours?
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The book "just ride" pretty much states my approach to cycling. The fact is that 99.999% of us are not professional riders, so why worry myself about what they would do. My ride today, tomorrow, or the next day is not a ride in the Tour in France. I just relax enjoy the ride, let my cadence spin at what ever feels right. I dont worry about what I wear, or what kind of bike I am riding. I adopt the attitude that I am riding for MY enjoyment and the heck with what anyone else thinks. Look at it logically. My cadence should be what is comfortable for me not what some other person says it should be.
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Please find one and quote it. I can't find any that says that anybody should ride faster/harder/etc. All such posts are predicated with, "If you want to ride faster, then..."
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I've been riding since the 60s. I've tried just about everything and played around a lot with cadence. I've also found it is a matter of "what works best for me" and "what I like" is the way to go.
My natural cadence ranges from 80-85 and maybe 70 on some inclines. I can ride all day now at 100-105 after lots of training to increase the number. But it doesn't make me go faster, easier, or feel better. If I want to go fast, I use a bigger gear and a cadence of 70-75. That does tire me out after a while though. Let all alone to cruise along, I find I'm back at 80 or so.
My natural cadence ranges from 80-85 and maybe 70 on some inclines. I can ride all day now at 100-105 after lots of training to increase the number. But it doesn't make me go faster, easier, or feel better. If I want to go fast, I use a bigger gear and a cadence of 70-75. That does tire me out after a while though. Let all alone to cruise along, I find I'm back at 80 or so.
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The "classic" commentary regarding spinning vs mashing goes something like this (Richard's Cycling for Fitness) "...the lower pedal effort which accompanies the combination of a lower gear and a faster cadence allows your muscles to work at well under their aerobic threshold, and use 'low octane' fuels which your body has in unlimited supply-triglycerides and fatty acids. Higher muscle efforts, such as mashing big gears, use up precious stores of glucose-and when all your glucose is gone, you're ready to drop." I've also read that the the latter "fuel" can be replenished on the bike by drinking and eating while the former requires rest which means you are off the bike.
This is all traditional thinking and I don't know if that's the current thinking.
This is all traditional thinking and I don't know if that's the current thinking.
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When you spin, it's an aerobic activity and relies mostly on slow twitch in an aerobic mode. Sprinting is an anaerobic activity and relies primarily on fast twitch fibers. Sprinters naturally have a higher percent of fast twitch than do non-sprinters.
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Ah, yes. I remember that car. That freewheel transmission was a vestigial remnant of the transmission needed for the previous generation two-stroke "Shrike" engine. That is, for the two-stroke it was a bug; for the four-stroke it wasn't a bug, it was a feature. Except when you were descending a hill and wanted to use the engine to brake the car. Then it was a bug.
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About all I can suggest is to spend more time over at training and nutrition subforum. I'd rather hang out here, as the conversation on the other forum can get over my head in a big hurry, but the twitpiffles haven't been posting there - yet.
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I teach BSA Cycling Merit Badge to young boys and one of the hardest concepts for them to understand is the idea of using the gears to achieve a comfortable cadence. It ought to be easy to understand but it is not. Most often they will pick a gear and stay in it no matter what. They would rather stand in the pedals on a hill that change gears. It's maddening. I tell them that I change gears a lot, especially when coming to a stop. If they finally get the hang of it they soon realize how much more fun it is to ride in comfort.
Your most comfortable cadence is a very individual thing. It might be 90 rpm but it might not. I don't know what the actual value is for me but I suspect it is lower than 90 rpm. In the long run you will do your knees a favor if you don't always mash the pedals.
Your most comfortable cadence is a very individual thing. It might be 90 rpm but it might not. I don't know what the actual value is for me but I suspect it is lower than 90 rpm. In the long run you will do your knees a favor if you don't always mash the pedals.
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Often looking at a somewhat extreme example can focus attention on the issue of interest. My take on the cadence issue would compare climbing the Empire State Building by the stairs. In one method, we take the steps one at a time and in the other, we take the steps two at a time. In my case, taking steps two at a time would result in calls to emergency personal. If I were to take steps one at a time, I just might make it to the top - and back.
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I teach BSA Cycling Merit Badge to young boys and one of the hardest concepts for them to understand is the idea of using the gears to achieve a comfortable cadence. It ought to be easy to understand but it is not. Most often they will pick a gear and stay in it no matter what. They would rather stand in the pedals on a hill that change gears. It's maddening. I tell them that I change gears a lot, especially when coming to a stop. If they finally get the hang of it they soon realize how much more fun it is to ride in comfort.
Your most comfortable cadence is a very individual thing. It might be 90 rpm but it might not. I don't know what the actual value is for me but I suspect it is lower than 90 rpm. In the long run you will do your knees a favor if you don't always mash the pedals.
Your most comfortable cadence is a very individual thing. It might be 90 rpm but it might not. I don't know what the actual value is for me but I suspect it is lower than 90 rpm. In the long run you will do your knees a favor if you don't always mash the pedals.
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Yes, how you ride should depend on what you're trying to do. In my life, I pretty much never pootle along, no matter what I'm doing. I've always been trying to do something: climb higher, ski better, ride faster/further, enjoy things more, live quieter, use less energy, love better. That's just the way I am.
This coming Saturday, if the decent weather holds, Stoker and I plan on riding our first ACP 200k brevet on our tandem at 132 y.o. You betcha we'll be paying very close attention to every detail about our cycling: position, pedal technique, cadence, heart rate, pacing, hydration, electrolytes, nutrition, just to name a few obvious things. The object is first to finish, secondarily to spend as few hours in the saddle as is consistent with avoiding unnecessary pain. We have a very good chance of finishing before dark, which would also be good. We also intend to do quite a bit of smiling along the way. How is smiling related to long distance cycling? Through avoidance of pain and increased enjoyment, for which see the second sentence, this paragraph. My belief is that enjoyment is related to the practice of paying very close attention to everything. It's a practice.
This coming Saturday, if the decent weather holds, Stoker and I plan on riding our first ACP 200k brevet on our tandem at 132 y.o. You betcha we'll be paying very close attention to every detail about our cycling: position, pedal technique, cadence, heart rate, pacing, hydration, electrolytes, nutrition, just to name a few obvious things. The object is first to finish, secondarily to spend as few hours in the saddle as is consistent with avoiding unnecessary pain. We have a very good chance of finishing before dark, which would also be good. We also intend to do quite a bit of smiling along the way. How is smiling related to long distance cycling? Through avoidance of pain and increased enjoyment, for which see the second sentence, this paragraph. My belief is that enjoyment is related to the practice of paying very close attention to everything. It's a practice.
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I think Carbonfiberboy has hit the nail on the head. As a buddhist sympathizer, and while happy experiences are always welcome, I work toward rich experiences. One way is to pay close attention to every aspect of life. In riding the bike, I really like the way a bike seems to come alive at higher speeds and consequently, I seem to come a bit more alive also. I enjoy working toward smoother riding, pedaling, bike handling, whatever.
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Quoted from Carbonfiberboy:
This coming Saturday, if the decent weather holds, Stoker and I plan on riding our first ACP 200k brevet on our tandem at 132 y.o.
y.o. = years old?
I hope that is your combined age. Otherwise we have a new entry in the Guiness Book of Records. It certainly caught my eye.
This coming Saturday, if the decent weather holds, Stoker and I plan on riding our first ACP 200k brevet on our tandem at 132 y.o.
y.o. = years old?
I hope that is your combined age. Otherwise we have a new entry in the Guiness Book of Records. It certainly caught my eye.
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But really I guess I should thank you for reading my posts at all. I've been so annoyed that I am probably turning everybody off - including those who might otherwise agree with me.
You know, when my daughter was maybe 10 years old and would be vexed by some problem with a friend or schoolmate, I used to tell her, "Every time that happens, just take a deep breath and tell yourself, 'I'm a duck, and this is water.'" I should get better at taking my own advice.
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This kind of back-biting usually doesn't go on in the 50+. It's sad we've devolved into the 41.
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All this info about cadence has me (almost) inspired to try to get my cadence meter on my Garmin working again. It used to work . . . then it stopped. Now I pedal at cadence "unknown." That seems to be working okay, but I should be informed during my cycling! Ignorance really isn't bliss, after all.
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When riding a spin bike, mostly in the winter, I almost always ride 90+ rpm. No matter how well setup the spin bike is, I find low cadence, high resistance to be uncomfortable unless standing. On my road bike, I usually over-gear, i.e. mash the pedals a lot to build strength on training rides. If I'm riding on the road with people as fast or faster than me, I'll spin for all I'm worth in an attempt to keep my legs fresh and responsive. My knees, unlike the rest of me, are perfect.
Of the hundreds, if not thousands of rides over the last several years, I only had one ride that I didn't really enjoy - just off mentally that day I guess. Usually part of my enjoyment includes several instances of coming close to coughing up a lung.
Of the hundreds, if not thousands of rides over the last several years, I only had one ride that I didn't really enjoy - just off mentally that day I guess. Usually part of my enjoyment includes several instances of coming close to coughing up a lung.
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When riding a spin bike, mostly in the winter, I almost always ride 90+ rpm. No matter how well setup the spin bike is, I find low cadence, high resistance to be uncomfortable unless standing. On my road bike, I usually over-gear, i.e. mash the pedals a lot to build strength on training rides. If I'm riding on the road with people as fast or faster than me, I'll spin for all I'm worth in an attempt to keep my legs fresh and responsive. My knees, unlike the rest of me, are perfect.
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My understanding of fast twitch vs slow twitch is that the fast twitch are for anaerobic bursts. They're good for a few bursts, then they're all used up. They're the muscles that bulk up when we lift with high weights/low reps. So they'd be the ones we mash with - until they're depleted. OTOH, the slow twitch are the endurance muscles. They can be strong, but they're long and lithe, not bunchy.
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