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    Rent a good bike - N+1 mitigation

    I travel a lot on business. (Too much probably.)

    I get to see cities in a way most folks don't.

    Most recent trips:
    Phoenix - rented a Felt 29er Hardtail.
    San Francisco - delightful Mission Bicycle 8-speed.

    Helps keep the home stable (The Noble Steel and T.A.R.D.I.S.) to two.

    BTW, BYOH - highly recommended. Not thinking "a head" kept me from riding in Paris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
    Helps keep the home stable (The Noble Steel and T.A.R.D.I.S.) to two.
    Wait... What's the TARDIS? (does it say police on it and is it blue?)
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    No, travel is reason FOR n+1. Like a Bike Friday. Or a bike with S+S couplers.

    I too travel quite a bit and have rented bikes in many places. It's hit or miss. Sometimes there are ok bikes to rent, some times there aren't. Some times there are but the LBS that rents them is on the other side of the city from where I'll be and it's not so easy to get over there.

    I came very close to pulling the trigger on a Bike Friday last year, but then I got injured and was out for the whole season. If I ever recover my fitness (I'm on the way but I have a LONG way to go), I will likely strongly consider it.

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    My personal pick for a bicycle in S.F. is Bay City Bike. I rent one of their Giant road bikes and then go across the Golden Gate to ride in Marin County. Usually I'm there in December for business at the convention center, and I steal out to Marin to ride for a morning or afternoon. And when I do, I think, "Why on Earth would I want to go back to that damned convention center?". Riding in Marin is dreamy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cplager View Post
    Wait... What's the TARDIS? (does it say police on it and is it blue?)

    The chamelion circuit is fine - so no. You'd never know by looking at it.

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    Oh Goodie! I get to come up with my own meanings for the acronym 'TARDIS'.
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    N+1 will not be denied. One of these days a bike similar to one you rented will come to your home to stay. Why do you think bicycle dealers have demo fleets?
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    I once rented a bike in Vegas instead of a car to get between hotel and convention center. Drop off fee plus pick up fee plus daily rental was half again more than the cost of renting a car. But the biggest joke on me was when I tried to voucher the expense. No way.

    My room was in a remote wing of the Flamingo and the best door and elevator combo to avoid having to walk the bike through the casino was at the opposite end. This left me more than a half mile maze of corridors to get to my room. So every morning and evening I would ride the bike through the halls from one end of the hotel to the other. No one ever questioned it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
    No, travel is reason FOR n+1. Like a Bike Friday. Or a bike with S+S couplers.
    Yes, business trips were my motivation to get a Bike Friday. (Although it hasn't done much for the n+1 idea - it's almost 20 years old now and is still my newest bike.)

    Time on business trips was frequently limited and that made renting a bike very hit or miss. With the Bike Friday I was frequently able to dispense with a rental car by riding straight from the airport to my hotel or business destination. Since it was my personal bike I just submitted vouchers based on mileage - it was always much less than the usual travel costs and I never had any complaints.

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    The trip to Boston<->San Francisco was:
    30 miles T
    30 miles BART
    30 miles Cycling
    30 miles Walking

    5400 Air - yikes

    Bag fees change the calculus of BYOB versus Rent. Even a Bike Friday costs $50-$70 just to transport by air. Full size bike is 150.

    Renting a bike for a day, a few days or a week depends on where you are is often cheaper. Most places the cost is reasonable. (Nothing is reasonable in Vegas.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
    My personal pick for a bicycle in S.F. is Bay City Bike. I rent one of their Giant road bikes and then go across the Golden Gate to ride in Marin County. Usually I'm there in December for business at the convention center, and I steal out to Marin to ride for a morning or afternoon. And when I do, I think, "Why on Earth would I want to go back to that damned convention center?". Riding in Marin is dreamy.
    My wife and I did that a few years ago (not the same shop nor same bikes, but across the bridge). What a nice ride. We started out in downtown, rode through the Presidio (if I recall), and then out over the bridge. My memory is vague, but I recall the bridge and a tunnel. We got lost out there somewhere after the tunnel, and rode around for an extra hour in some beautiful fairly remote feeling countryside (is there a military post out there somewhere?) We missed our plan to walk around in Carmel before catching the ferry, but that was a good thing all things considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camilo View Post
    My wife and I did that a few years ago (not the same shop nor same bikes, but across the bridge). What a nice ride. We started out in downtown, rode through the Presidio (if I recall), and then out over the bridge. My memory is vague, but I recall the bridge and a tunnel. We got lost out there somewhere after the tunnel, and rode around for an extra hour in some beautiful fairly remote feeling countryside (is there a military post out there somewhere?) We missed our plan to walk around in Carmel before catching the ferry, but that was a good thing all things considered.
    Yes, on the road down to Sausolito you can take a left turn, go through a tunnel and then you're in a nearly pristine valley that leads all the way down to Rodeo lagoon and the Pacific Ocean. There are former military installations there, but overall it's unbelievably pristine for a place just a short bike ride away from one of the nation's main urban centers.

    And if you want to go back via the headlands, there's an awesome climb that connects the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post

    Bag fees change the calculus of BYOB versus Rent. Even a Bike Friday costs $50-$70 just to transport by air. Full size bike is 150.

    Renting a bike for a day, a few days or a week depends on where you are is often cheaper. Most places the cost is reasonable. (Nothing is reasonable in Vegas.)

    -mr. bill
    True for a full sized bike, but not necessarily for a Bike Friday if you're a frequent traveller and get standard bags checked for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
    True for a full sized bike, but not necessarily for a Bike Friday if you're a frequent traveller and get standard bags checked for free.
    You'll really want to take a closer look at the (ever diminishing) baggage allowances for frequent traveler programs before you buy a Bike Friday for air travel. Also consider what fraction of travel you do on a qualifying carrier. (For me, it's at best a coin flip.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
    You'll really want to take a closer look at the (ever diminishing) baggage allowances for frequent traveler programs before you buy a Bike Friday for air travel. Also consider what fraction of travel you do on a qualifying carrier. (For me, it's at best a coin flip.)

    -mr. bill
    Yeah, everybody is in a slightly different fuselage here, and I think that the Bike Friday carrying case is technically over the total inches for most carriers (though I think most people get away with this b/c the agents don't take out a ruler and measure).

    As to carriers, etc., Minneapolis is more or less a one airline town. The advantage of being at a hub is that you always fly the same airline and you get a non-stop to most anywhere (domestic). The disadvantage is that you pay the monopolist's price. The upshot is that I'm "platinum elite" and I don't pay no stinkin' baggage charges. YMMV.

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    "Riding in Marin is dreamy." I'll second that! My favorite place to ride in the Bay Area. Sure do miss it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiHabanero View Post
    "Riding in Marin is dreamy." I'll second that! My favorite place to ride in the Bay Area. Sure do miss it.
    Marin is 2nd only to Santa Cruz county.
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    Don't know the nature of your business travels, but when I visited my major customers, I always tried to be personable, ie sharing stories, talking about hobbies etc. Obviously I told them I was a cyclist. Bingo, some of them were cyclists, too. Frequently, the bikes I got to ride were better than my own.

    At times in my career, I was a 'road warrior', and the idea of another bag was a non-starter.

    I would rent, unless you are a week or more at each of your destinations - then maybe a Bike Friday.
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    If the bike rental cost is less than the cost of travelling with my bike, I will usually rent at my destination. And even if I do travel with bike, I bring one of my older road bikes so that I won't get too upset if it gets squashed or otherwise beat up. I have been using a BD aluminum Motobecane with DA7800 for the past few years of travel.

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    Quick update - the free ones.

    In Manhattan, hotel with free bikes. (OK bike, best bike bell ever.)
    Seattle, Timbuk2 bikeshare - I don't know why free but I do know thank you.
    And in Vancouver BC, hotel with free bikes (and free water).

    Great way to lose travel legs. Wicked awesome way to see cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
    I travel a lot on business. (Too much probably.)

    I get to see cities in a way most folks don't...

    BTW, BYOH - highly recommended. Not thinking "a head" kept me from riding in Paris.
    Besides helmet, sneakers for walking and riding, and cycling clothes, I also bring my eyeglass mounted rearview mirrors, lights, small pump and/or CO2 cartridges and adapter, tire levers, and I buy a tube for possible flats.

    I don't fly so luggage is not a problem, and if feasible I bring my mountain bike. Unless going to visit family, I never bring the carbon fiber. On business travel, I only get a brief amount of riding, less than about 20 miles early in the AM, and usually it's dark, but it makes the trip better than just business and the usual entertainment.

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