crazyb

This

BlazingPedals

This is getting further and further into the A&S realm, but saying the above reveals a dangerous, anti-bike bias. The shoulder, even if paved, is not considered a part of the road meant for travel; so advocating us to get on the shoulder is, legally, the same as advocating us to get off the road. So, what you're saying is: "Even though bikes have a right to be on the road, they should voluntarily get off the road for the convenience of cars." Is that really your position on sharing the road?

Don't get me wrong, I'll do it too; but only if it's safe and convenient for me. Inconveniencing myself for the sake of someone else's convenience is, well, inconvenient.

Dudelsack 

Biker395 

Did you note the use of the word "legal" and "courtesy"? That was meant to convey exactly your point.

phoebeisis

We need to pointedly "out nice" drivers and pedestrians.
Heck such a low bar-it couldn't be hard

One reason-maybe the main reason-John Forrester was/is soooo effective selling VC -was/is he is always sooo polite nice and grownup-
even when his "enemies" were anything but
This is probably why the VC cult and LCing in particular is sooooo resistant to common sense (just kidding,just kidding!!)

Anyway someone charismatic should start a be nice to drivers pedestrian campaign-
perhaps NYNY- ill mannered bunch -see how it works on them(yes- just kidding again)

CB HI

Honolulu paints some of the worst, most dangerous bike lanes in the country and Hawaii has a mandatory bike lane use law. For me that seems very oppressive, especially when any cyclist who dares legally leave a bike lane for their own safety is demonized.

phoebeisis

I wonder how that came about?

Perhaps it was supposed to protect tourists in some way?
What is the main industry there?
Much agriculture-sugar cane pineapples anymore?
Used to be a significant weed producing state-but I think CA and many others-surpassed it long ago-

CB HI

Hawaii is the only state in the country for which every county is blue (and a very deep blue at that). We have politicians that want cyclists out of the way (bike lanes) and know what is best for cyclists (mandatory use law) regardless of what cyclists think.


Perhaps it was supposed to protect tourists in some way? no
What is the main industry there? military and tourist
Much agriculture-sugar cane pineapples anymore? almost none anymore
Used to be a significant weed producing state-but I think CA and many others-surpassed it long ago- drug dealers found ice was easier to make

phoebeisis

Tourism-military-that is it??
Hmmm-no "real" industry no significant agriculture
Hmmmm-it was a big methamphetamine using state-is it still?
Dog The Bounty Hunter was always tracking down pitiful wasted looking meth users?

South Louisiana-NOLA etc-does have significant tourism-but oil field "stuff" and the port activities are still important.
Some agriculture-sugar cane- and fishing still important.


NOLA is bluish-but the rest of louisiana is mainly Republican-
NOLA proper has some bike lanes-but there isn't any political impulse to force folks to use bike lanes
Pretty sure we can ride on the sidewalks if we want-probably is legal to ride on sidewalks, but doubt it would matter
There really isn't any particular anti bike rider sentiment in NOLA??

BluesDawg

CB HI

Tourism-military-that is it?? Mostly. There is Kona coffee, Honolulu Marathon and the Iron Man.
Hmmm-no "real" industry no significant agriculture. Kona coffee
Hmmmm-it was a big methamphetamine using state-is it still? Not as bad, I think the worst of them fried their brains.
Dog The Bounty Hunter was always tracking down pitiful wasted looking meth users? Dog The Bounty Hunter was reality for about a year. Not long after they went to all black clothing and high end SUVs, they were staging the show and no one was being dropped off at the police station anymore.

Bullwinkl360

Size matters! How many of you motorist/cyclists have been just as pissed at an 18 wheeler riding your tail as a cyclist when buzzed by a car. It's not right but it's life on the road. I drive/ride defensively and hope for the best.

Leisesturm

Shouldn't that be "Inn before the loch"?

Gerryattrick

Popeyecahn

Not a 'loch'' sir, that is a river or a canal. I refuse to understand how anyone could prejudice the understanding of water transportation with such obvious lack of knowledge of the basics of river navigation. The marginalization of aquatic modes of conveyance troubles me and we must fight this bigotry toward our fellow travelers. Good day!

one_beatnik

I'm from Iowa and know the types of roads the OP is referring to. It would normally be safer for the rider to ride where he did IF they were all on an incline. If you can't see over the top of the hill in front of you, you run the risk of killing everyone on the road right there by passing the cyclist. Again, we don't have enough info to know this was the case.

As to the 3 foot passing laws, Iowa courts have recently determined that a car driver is to give the cyclist the FULL lane when passing. In other words, the cyclist does, indeed, have the right to the full lane. I agree with many of you that have mentioned manners. I draw the line on manners when so called good manners exacerbate a potentially dangerous situation.

A good source on what's happening in Iowa on this is right here.

https://iowabicyclecoalition.org/

Dudelsack 

I oppressed a boat once by calling it a boat and not a ship.

Biker395 

Or a submarine by calling it a ship and not a boat.

Popeyecahn

Keel hauling for the lot of ya!

Dudelsack 

With any luck we can torpedo this thread.

Popeyecahn

Gerryattrick

I used to enjoy days out on barges on the Monmouth & Brecon Canal near where I live but those pesky canoeists kept spoiling my trips by insisting on paddling near the centre of the canal so I couldn't pass safely.

They always insist on taking the channel, no wonder the average bargee has a dim view of them.

Dudelsack 

The pedestrians always wanting to drop those drawbridges so they can cross the canal are really rude. They don't pay any waterway taxes.

And those kayakers need to stick to swimming pools and lakes.

OldsCOOL

Give it another day or two. It's a doomed vessel.

Popeyecahn

Barge pole at the gunwale always worked for me...