Tire Mounting Help
06-24-14, 02:35 PM
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Tire Mounting Help
It was time to replace my rear tire for which I chose the same folding tire I installed a year ago. I had the most difficult time mounting this tire and don't remember it being this hard. The folding tire did not want to cooperate in getting the fist bead on the rim with tube partially inflated inside the tire, it just kept slipping off. I finally had to remove the tube install the first bead, put the inner tube in the tire and seat the second bead.
Helpful tips are appreciated
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06-24-14, 02:44 PM
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You just gave one -- hang the first bead, install and lightly inflate the tube, then hang the second bead.
Do you use a two-lever process, as I always used to and sometimes still do, or do you try to sweep around the circumference using a single Teflon coated lever? Might be worthwhile to try whichever you are currently not doing.
Do you use a two-lever process, as I always used to and sometimes still do, or do you try to sweep around the circumference using a single Teflon coated lever? Might be worthwhile to try whichever you are currently not doing.
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06-24-14, 03:36 PM
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Yep. That is it. install the first bead, feed in the tube, and follow with the second bead. I have one or twice pinched the tube with tire levers when remounting. Now I try to avoid tire levers, not always easy, and just use hands.
06-24-14, 03:37 PM
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I always place one bead on first (when I change a tube, I NEVER remove the tire completely - I always leave one bead engaged). inflate the tube somewhat and put it inside the tire and then I gently fold/prod/kneed the tire with tube onto the rim. I can usually do this without levers. I something will have to deflate the tube alittle to get the last bit over the rim.
What I have learned is some tires are impossible to mount. Some brands I will never buy as they are just to tough for these old arthitic hands to manipulate. Some tires are a dream and slid on "like butter". If your tires is beaded with toughies(kevlar) they may be more diffcult to unmount and mount.
What I have learned is some tires are impossible to mount. Some brands I will never buy as they are just to tough for these old arthitic hands to manipulate. Some tires are a dream and slid on "like butter". If your tires is beaded with toughies(kevlar) they may be more diffcult to unmount and mount.
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I am 45 years in the tire business, I have experience fixing everything from a wheel barrel tire to an earthmover tire that you have to step inside it to fix. I always take the bike tire completely off, inspect the inside put the tube in it, put the first bead on, then the second, never have any trouble.
I know many put the first bead on, then the tube, seems harder to me.
I know many put the first bead on, then the tube, seems harder to me.
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Some tires are just nasty. I have Michelin Krylions that are notoriously tight and moreso on aftermarket rims. Use multiple levers that will clip in place onto a spoke. Sometimes you have to use 2 in place and a third to sweep.
Before you put pressure to the tire, firm up the tire with enough pressure to manually seat the tire before final and full inflation. I too use folding bead tires (on vuelta corsa lites) and over the years have had a few unseat so now I make sure they seat prior to inflation.
Before you put pressure to the tire, firm up the tire with enough pressure to manually seat the tire before final and full inflation. I too use folding bead tires (on vuelta corsa lites) and over the years have had a few unseat so now I make sure they seat prior to inflation.
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Also, index your tire by putting the stem near the tire label. This way when it flats you can find the trouble spot on the tire if it isnt immediately obvious on inspection. 
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You might also want to try the Kool-Stop Tire Bead Jack ($12.95 Amazon). A riding buddy of mine even carries one on most rides. I stick close to him.
06-24-14, 07:13 PM
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Lay the tire in the sun for 15 minutes ,before you start.
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I am 45 years in the tire business, I have experience fixing everything from a wheel barrel tire to an earthmover tire that you have to step inside it to fix. I always take the bike tire completely off, inspect the inside put the tube in it, put the first bead on, then the second, never have any trouble.
I know many put the first bead on, then the tube, seems harder to me.
I know many put the first bead on, then the tube, seems harder to me.
I'll have to try that.
I've heard Schwalbe Marathons can especially be a pain. (never owned them though). Personally I've always used a couple of aluminum spoons but you gotta be careful not to pinch the tube with them.
I know the OP is using a folder with a kevlar bead (this pertains to a wire bead tire) but this might be helpful anyway.
I like the way this guy uses a zip tie, or similar, to keep his from following you back out around the rim. (never tried that yet either) And I always put just a little air in my tubes to keep them from pinching. I'll also put about 30 lbs in them after getting the tire mounted and bounce them around the circumference a bit before airing them up fully, for the same reason.
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^^^
I've tried the little nylon tire tools somewhat like that back in the '80s and found I liked just two old school aluminum spoons better. They just seemed to pry in easier and slide around the rim better for me.
I've tried the little nylon tire tools somewhat like that back in the '80s and found I liked just two old school aluminum spoons better. They just seemed to pry in easier and slide around the rim better for me.
06-24-14, 11:07 PM
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Try this ... 
Mounting Your Michelin Tires Instructions for fitting an inner tube - How to fit (Video) | Welcome to MICHELIN Bicycle - North America
1. Carefully inspect the rim. A rim in bad condition, with dents or cracks, can be dangerous.
2. Inspect the rim band or rim tape. A rim band or tape that is damaged or cracked, torn or frayed should be replaced. A damaged rim band or tape is often the cause of punctures. Make sure the rim band's hole is centered over the valve hole, and keep the two holes aligned. Also make sure the rim band or tape uniformly covers the spoke holes and has not shifted to expose these often sharp edges. Note: Ultra-light tubes are more susceptible to punctures caused by internal abrasion from a worn or poor fitting rim band or tape due to their thinner wall construction.
3. Fit the first bead into the rim.
4. Slightly inflate the tube to give it shape and introduce it into the tire, starting with the valve. Coat the inside of the tire with talc in order to facilitate positioning of the tube inside the tire.
5. To install the second bead, always start opposite the valve and position the bead in the rim bed. Make sure the bead is working into the drop center of the rim to ease mounting. Finish the tire mounting at the valve.
Note: Starting at the valve restricts the bead from falling into the drop center when finishing mounting, making the job more difficult. Ending at the valve eliminates this issue. This is even more of an issue on tubeless tires due to the larger sealing head of a tubeless valve.
6. While keeping hold of the valve, push the valve into the rim and pull back to unseat the tube from under the bead in the valve area.
7. Check around the rim and tire to make sure the tube is not pinched between the bead and the rim. If the tube is pinched, work the tire with your fingers to dislodge the pinched tube or remount more carefully.
Mounting Your Michelin Tires Instructions for fitting an inner tube - How to fit (Video) | Welcome to MICHELIN Bicycle - North America
1. Carefully inspect the rim. A rim in bad condition, with dents or cracks, can be dangerous.
2. Inspect the rim band or rim tape. A rim band or tape that is damaged or cracked, torn or frayed should be replaced. A damaged rim band or tape is often the cause of punctures. Make sure the rim band's hole is centered over the valve hole, and keep the two holes aligned. Also make sure the rim band or tape uniformly covers the spoke holes and has not shifted to expose these often sharp edges. Note: Ultra-light tubes are more susceptible to punctures caused by internal abrasion from a worn or poor fitting rim band or tape due to their thinner wall construction.
3. Fit the first bead into the rim.
4. Slightly inflate the tube to give it shape and introduce it into the tire, starting with the valve. Coat the inside of the tire with talc in order to facilitate positioning of the tube inside the tire.
5. To install the second bead, always start opposite the valve and position the bead in the rim bed. Make sure the bead is working into the drop center of the rim to ease mounting. Finish the tire mounting at the valve.
Note: Starting at the valve restricts the bead from falling into the drop center when finishing mounting, making the job more difficult. Ending at the valve eliminates this issue. This is even more of an issue on tubeless tires due to the larger sealing head of a tubeless valve.
6. While keeping hold of the valve, push the valve into the rim and pull back to unseat the tube from under the bead in the valve area.
7. Check around the rim and tire to make sure the tube is not pinched between the bead and the rim. If the tube is pinched, work the tire with your fingers to dislodge the pinched tube or remount more carefully.
06-24-14, 11:28 PM
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I have used the method described in the video above, but don't use anything to secure the tire to the rim.
My wife demonstrated this method at a wellness conference where we were doing a basic bike maintenance presentation. Granted we did not pick our most stubborn tire for the demo, but I have seen her do it a number of times on anything from a 23 mm light weigh road tire to heavier 32 mm touring tires. She dose it without tire levers.
I believe the key is to lightly inflate the tube to seat the first bead and get any wrinkles out of the tube, get the second bead started and then deflate the tube completely. Any air in the tube makes it harder to seat the second bead. You don't need to worry as much about pinching the tube because tire levers are not being used.
I've only used Schwalbe Marathons on Velocity Dyad rims, and they almost fall off the rim until the beads are seated.
Start at the bottom of the wheel, opposite the valve, pinch the beads toward the center of the rim and pull up as you seat the second bead around both sides of the rim. As my wife demonstrated, it is more about technique than strength.
My wife demonstrated this method at a wellness conference where we were doing a basic bike maintenance presentation. Granted we did not pick our most stubborn tire for the demo, but I have seen her do it a number of times on anything from a 23 mm light weigh road tire to heavier 32 mm touring tires. She dose it without tire levers.
I believe the key is to lightly inflate the tube to seat the first bead and get any wrinkles out of the tube, get the second bead started and then deflate the tube completely. Any air in the tube makes it harder to seat the second bead. You don't need to worry as much about pinching the tube because tire levers are not being used.
I've only used Schwalbe Marathons on Velocity Dyad rims, and they almost fall off the rim until the beads are seated.
Start at the bottom of the wheel, opposite the valve, pinch the beads toward the center of the rim and pull up as you seat the second bead around both sides of the rim. As my wife demonstrated, it is more about technique than strength.
06-25-14, 05:56 AM
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For the really tough tires I either buy a new wheel or I have the LBS do it for me.
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06-25-14, 07:32 AM
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Read this. It will be perhaps helpful.
Curtis Corlew in Bicycle Land: Schwalbe Marathon Plus mounting and review
Curtis Corlew in Bicycle Land: Schwalbe Marathon Plus mounting and review
06-25-14, 07:38 AM
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Read this. It will be perhaps helpful.
Curtis Corlew in Bicycle Land: Schwalbe Marathon Plus mounting and review
Curtis Corlew in Bicycle Land: Schwalbe Marathon Plus mounting and review
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