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Old 01-31-15, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by road1bike
What gives?
Go Old School and actually count your cadence for sixty seconds every mile or three, it has been done so in the dim & misty past and can be done as a Historical Re-enactment.

"Back when" we attached a mechanical stop watch to the handlebars as state-of-the-art, one must be able to get far better data from the most rudimentary cyclo-computers at Wally-World today for $1.89 or so.

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Old 01-31-15, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by road1bike
I am new to road biking, 1 day two falls! I thought cadence was the measure of hoe efficient a person rides. I went to REI, Performance, and a mom and pop LBS and no one had a computer that tracked cadence!

What gives?
Hard to understand your perspective - there are plenty of cyclocomputers that track cadence - RPM - so long as you buy the right accessory. But maybe none that measure what you think cadence is.

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Originally Posted by MinnMan
Hard to understand your perspective - there are plenty of cyclocomputers that track cadence - RPM - so long as you buy the right accessory. But maybe none that measure what you think cadence is.
OK, how do the bike shops not know what I am asking for when I say I want a computer that measures cadence? I'm standing there with cash!
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Spinning is the reason there are so many cogs in the back.
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Old 02-01-15, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by road1bike
OK, how do the bike shops not know what I am asking for when I say I want a computer that measures cadence? I'm standing there with cash!
beats me. I would have guessed that any LBS on 5 or 6 continents would be able to sell you something that fits that description.
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Old 02-01-15, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OldsCOOL
When I started riding 10sp bikes back in '73 one of us must have read about cadence in a cycling magazine. All of us were "spinning".....pffffffft....PEDALLING at 60 rpm or a touch more. That was the standard. For decades after I would catch myself doing a "thousand-one, thousand-two....". Today, I wont go higher than 90rpm on flats unless I'm fixin' to shift up.
I always think spinning, or pedaling with low force at high(er) cadence, should feel easy on the knees and every thing else. For many of us there's a correlation with cadence and knee pain. For me, pedaling too slow hurts my knees due to excess pressure, and pedaling too fast does not feel good if my fit isn't just right so my motion feels smooth. When I have it right I am comfortable for a few hours at 80-90 rpm. 60 is a warm-up cadence, 70s is ok for early rides as my legs relax into a faster pace. Fast pedaling has to feel smooth and not bounce me on the saddle. When it's right, I'll even pedal 95 or so. I'll let it slow down as far as 50 rpm in a climb, but I am not one of your great climbers anyway.

For me it's strictly a matter of comfort, not based on any physiological knowledge beyond "if its not comfortable, do it differently."
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Originally Posted by Road Fan
I always think spinning, or pedaling with low force at high(er) cadence, should feel easy on the knees and every thing else. For many of us there's a correlation with cadence and knee pain. For me, pedaling too slow hurts my knees due to excess pressure, and pedaling too fast does not feel good if my fit isn't just right so my motion feels smooth. When I have it right I am comfortable for a few hours at 80-90 rpm. 60 is a warm-up cadence, 70s is ok for early rides as my legs relax into a faster pace. Fast pedaling has to feel smooth and not bounce me on the saddle. When it's right, I'll even pedal 95 or so. I'll let it slow down as far as 50 rpm in a climb, but I am not one of your great climbers anyway.

For me it's strictly a matter of comfort, not based on any physiological knowledge beyond "if its not comfortable, do it differently."
^ Agreed. I always think of spinning as cardiovascular exercise and cranking as lifting exercise.
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Originally Posted by road1bike
OK, how do the bike shops not know what I am asking for when I say I want a computer that measures cadence? I'm standing there with cash!
Cash doesn't cure idiocy. But honestly most bike shops are catering to family and child riding, not adult bike nuts.

The older shops might clue in if you say "I want to replace my broken Cateye Astrale 8." It measured cadence. A similar and more modern one is the Cateye Strada Cadence. In their 2013 listings https://202.215.251.86/data/resources/cc_chart13_usa.pdf the Strada Cadence is one of just a few that will measure cadence. You'll have to check around to see prices.

BTW, right now REI catalog lists the Cateye Strada Cadence for $50. You can order it at the store and get free shipping to your house.

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Do yourself a favor and do not look up "spinner" in urban dictionary.
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Old 02-01-15, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Road Fan
Cash doesn't cure idiocy. But honestly most bike shops are catering to family and child riding, not adult bike nuts.

The older shops might clue in if you say "I want to replace my broken Cateye Astrale 8." It measured cadence. A similar and more modern one is the Cateye Strada Cadence. In their 2013 listings https://202.215.251.86/data/resources/cc_chart13_usa.pdf the Strada Cadence is one of just a few that will measure cadence. You'll have to check around to see prices.

BTW, right now REI catalog lists the Cateye Strada Cadence for $50. You can order it at the store and get free shipping to your house.

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Old 02-01-15, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by OldsCOOL
It's going for a ride where the scenery never changes and you go nowhere really fast.
wait, are you talking about life or spinning?
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Originally Posted by cccorlew
Do yourself a favor and do not look up "spinner" in urban dictionary.
If you didn't think we should look it up, why did you tempt us with a link? I had heard this term and somehow had divined a meaning that gets it only partly right. I thought that in certain circles a "spinner" was a young woman who was very trim owing to her devotion to spinning classes.
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Originally Posted by cccorlew
Do yourself a favor and do not look up "spinner" in urban dictionary.
I work with teen drug addicts obsessed with urban culture (even though we are rural folk here) and I have to say how useful it is to have an iphone to look this stuff up.
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Old 02-03-15, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by digibud
Spinning is a term used in more than one context, like many words. Spinning classes are classes with bikes setup to allow groups to ride indoors (typically), usually with a leader and music. It may be with a machine called a trainer designed to work with a regular bike or with an indoor bike made specifically for "spinning". Some such bikes include internet hookups and video, heart rate monitors, etc and others are very simple bikes for indoor riding. When a cyclist is out riding, the term "spinning" often refers to the desirable technique of using clipless pedals or toe straps to continuously lift,push and pull the foot in a continuous motion throughout the circle while pedaling, as opposed to simply pushing down hard when the foot is at the top of the pedaling circle. Noncyclists typically "mash" on the pedals when not using clipless pedals with a push down-push down rhythm that is not sustainable over long distances at higher speeds. You will often hear the phrase "spinning in circles" to describe the desirable goal of smoothly moving the foot in a circle. The lifting motion is, however, normally only a matter of unweighting the lifting foot. When serious acceleration is needed one can indeed lift with some force but it's not sustainable.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by HawkOwl
Exactly.
Not exactly. Spinning is much simpler than what is described as pedaling in circles, etc.
From Sheldon Brown's glossary. As I remember, the first definition predated the introduction of spinbikes:
Spinning
(1)Pedaling at a rapid cadence in a lowish gear.
(2)A program of indoor exercising. "Spinning ®" uses stationary cycles, with a fixed gear and a heavy flywheel. A trainer guides a group of "cyclists" using loud music to regulate cadence.
In this specific context, but only in this context, "Spinning ®" is a registered trademark.
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Originally Posted by road1bike
OK, how do the bike shops not know what I am asking for when I say I want a computer that measures cadence? I'm standing there with cash!
Ya can't get any more standard than a Cateye computer!

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Originally Posted by road1bike
OK, how do the bike shops not know what I am asking for when I say I want a computer that measures cadence? I'm standing there with cash!
Shops often hire people with no cycling knowledge - I like REI, but I never expect that they'll have someone with knowledge that I don't already have - sometimes they have a resident bike mechanic, but often sh/he is busy working on a bike. They're outdoors outfitters, not specialists. Can't say why the others don't know what you're looking for - but it sounds as if you need to keep looking for a shop whose advice you can trust. Especially because you're new to road biking and fell twice in a day. There may be more than cadence you should look into. Wishing you many miles of fall-free spinning!
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