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    Need advice on saddle issue

    Been riding my new Giant Propel for 6 months now. A pro fit was done and I am very comfortable on the bike. The bike came with a Fizik Arione R3 saddle which felt really good.........for a while. It seems that I'm experiencing more discomfort as time passes. The discomfort is at the IT's (sit bones). The only saddle fit adjustments I've made since purchase were lowering the saddle about 3mm and moving the saddle back about 5mm. The most significant change, I believe, is ME. I weighed 132 lbs. when I bought the bike, and with all the riding and a little better nutrition, I'm down to 124-125 lbs. I'm a little guy so that's a fair amount of weight loss, and I'm sure a chunk of the loss is off my butt. I just don't have a lot of meat back there. My LBS/fitter recommended Shimano's Pro Turnix AFsaddle, which has a center cutout, and a non-flat contour (the Arione is flat). I had a good feeling about what he was saying the saddle's profile. I rode it 25 miles this morning and I'm bummed. About mid way through, my sit bones started throbbing, and by the end of the ride it was worse than the Arione. Unhappy to say the least. Don't know whether it's simply the wrong saddle or maybe a saddle setup issue.

    Any suggestions from those of you with saddle fit experience is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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    MAl,
    Go back to the Arione. Rather that setting the saddle back... move it slightly forward. I am assuming the pressure is on the IT/ sit bones versus pubic bone/perineum. If sliding the saddle forward does not work. I recommend trying a more crowned shaped saddle. Such as the Terry Men's Liberator or a Pro Logo style saddle. Another option is to consider a more dense chamois... Assos has some great chamois for folks with less junk in the trunk.
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    Thanks Greg.
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    Was the "LBS/Fitter" the same one who did the pro fit that worked well for you for 6 months? If not, put your Arione back on the way it was and go back to the first fitter who should be able to consider what he/she did for you before. Your body or riding have evolved, and your fit needs to change accordingly. If you get a new fitter at this time that person needs to start all over. The person who knows your fit will not have to start over, just consider how you've changed, if he or she has kept records. Most good fitters do so.

    Standard LBS practice is "sell him another saddle." I don't think they selected well, since you are not complaining about perineal pain or pinching, or numbness. Cutouts are mainly for those issues.

    Similarly the recommendation for more arch in the saddle. Why? It may move pressure from the sit bones, but not to anywhere else that it should be.

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    Standard LBS practice is "sell him another saddle." I don't think they selected well, since you are not complaining about perineal pain or pinching, or numbness. Cutouts are mainly for those issues.

    Saddles are a very personal thing. I have a Brooks B-17 that I sent to Selle Anatomica and had it cut out.Selle Anatomica - We make the world's most comfortable leather bicycle saddle. Period. Selle guarantees satisfaction and so do some Brooks dealers. It's the bomb for me and I will never have another plastic shell saddle. Brooks has the Imperial with the cut out too. Leather molds to your sit bones. These are worth checking out but be sure that the dealer accepts returns.

    I don't think losing 8 pounds is the issue. You just need to get a saddle that works for you.
    Last edited by FloridaBoy; 06-14-14 at 08:19 AM.

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    I use Selle Anatomica, as well. But I don't think it's right to just recommend what I like. Many people are not going to take the time to work throughout the adjustment procedure, and for me that makes a lot of difference.

    I find the Selle cutout on a Selle works better for me than a Brooks cutout on a Brooks, but I haven't tried what you did. Next best for me is a Specialized Toupe, but those are pretty hard on my sit bones.

    OP, maybe you should try a leather saddle with or without a cutout to get a less intrusive support for your backside.

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    Thanks for all the suggestions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
    I use Selle Anatomica, as well. But I don't think it's right to just recommend what I like. Many people are not going to take the time to work throughout the adjustment procedure, and for me that makes a lot of difference.

    I find the Selle cutout on a Selle works better for me than a Brooks cutout on a Brooks, but I haven't tried what you did. Next best for me is a Specialized Toupe, but those are pretty hard on my sit bones.

    OP, maybe you should try a leather saddle with or without a cutout to get a less intrusive support for your backside
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    RF, recommending saddles is dicey...but I agree on the leather and the OP needs to be sure the shop will accept returns. All 'butts' are not created equal.

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    Race bike saddles are narrow, because you stay bent over, and light , because you compare weights.

    and dont need padding because you are putting your weight into the pedals to go fast or at least keep up
    with your mates..

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    I'm guessing the saddles are both the wrong width. Saddle width is critical. I don't think yours come in widths. Get fitted for a Specialized Romin at your LBS. Most LBS will let you take it back if it doesn't work out, so use one that has this policy.

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    Well, an update. I was tempted to just go back to the Arione R3 and try to make it work. Then I started reading about SMP saddles and discovered Steve Hogg's bikefitting website. What a wealth of information. He seems to be well respected. After much hand wringing, reading, and discussion with my LBS fitter/owner (who originally set me up), I decided to test the SMP Dynamic saddle. I rode it 25 miles this morning and the difference was huge. Minor discomfort at the end of the ride which I attribute to my butt being a bit "tuned up" after the last 3 uncomfortable rides. It's a very unusual design but seems to have quite a following. The shape of the saddle made it easy for me to settle into a comfortable pelvis forward position, both in the drops and on the hoods. My 50 miler this Sunday will be more telling, but this "might" be the one. If not, I'll probably go back to the R3 and try to sort it. More will be revealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velo Smart View Post
    Go back to the Arione. Rather that setting the saddle back... move it slightly forward.
    This. Very much this. And no slightly qualifiers either. 5mm is like 1/5".There are several dozen saddle makers in the world and a couple hundred different saddle models. There's over 7 Billion people on the planet. Saddles really aren't that personal a thing. A LOT of saddles get returned or are not used or cause their owners great discomfort because the rider is sitting too far forward on the saddle. Where you sit on the saddle is intrinsic, like a fingerprint. Unless the saddle is designed in a way to force the rider to sit 'here' and only here, s'he will sit where 'feels right' with respect to the reach to the bars. If that means perching on the nose of the saddle, then, so be it. As you can see, however, the goas of most saddle designs is to get you well backward where the seat widens . Sit there and you immediately open up your possible saddle choices to more than just one or two that feel great for a week and then hurt like blazes. FWIW

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    Another update. Although the Dynamic saddle is better, I'm still not as comfortable as I would like, even after making fore/aft and tilt adjustments. So, I tested an SMP Drakon, which is a Dynamic with more padding. Definitely better. Since I already bought the Dynamic, while I'm waiting for the LBS to work out an exchange, I decided to try the Arione again. I installed it in the same fore/aft position as originally fitted (more forward) and set the tilt at 1 degree down in front, as per a Fizik you tube video. Well, umm, the Arione feels a lot better than it did before, validating some of the previous comments.

    I'm going to ride the Arione for a few more rides, playing with setup, and then go to the Drakon if not happy. Thanks again for the good info.
    Mal

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