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    choice of bike for IGH rear hub?

    New to the folding bike forum, In the past I have bought my daughter a schwinn hinge. Now I'm looking at a couple of low end bikes to convert to internal gear hubs. One is the Citizen Miami because of the 36 spoke rims. the other is a Hasa F3 HASA BIKE
    but it has the 28 spoke rims and it seems that there is no 28 hole IGH sold in the US. Doe's anyone know of a dealer that sell s one? thanks Joe
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    Quote Originally Posted by joek View Post
    New to the folding bike forum, In the past I have bought my daughter a schwinn hinge. Now I'm looking at a couple of low end bikes to convert to internal gear hubs. One is the Citizen Miami because of the 36 spoke rims. the other is a Hasa F3 HASA BIKE
    but it has the 28 spoke rims and it seems that there is no 28 hole IGH sold in the US. Doe's anyone know of a dealer that sell s one? thanks Joe
    This Sturmey Archer IGH is for Brompton upgrade to 5 Speed, don't know if the spec fits HASA BIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by joek View Post
    New to the folding bike forum, In the past I have bought my daughter a schwinn hinge. Now I'm looking at a couple of low end bikes to convert to internal gear hubs. One is the Citizen Miami because of the 36 spoke rims. the other is a Hasa F3 HASA BIKE
    but it has the 28 spoke rims and it seems that there is no 28 hole IGH sold in the US. Doe's anyone know of a dealer that sell s one? thanks Joe
    You can do one of two things -- get a replacement 36 hole rim, or fudge it with the 36h hub.

    If you're going so far as to buy a new hub and probably spokes, why not spring for a rim while you're at it?

    But if that's a financial deal-breaker -- and depending on the hub you have now, you may not even need new spokes due to matching spoke hole diameters or using a different cross pattern -- you could fudge the build by skipping two holes on each side of the hub. Never built a wheel this way, but if I were to try, I would skip the 12 o'clock and 6 position holes on one side, the 9 and 3 on the other. My Birdy had this going on with, I think, the front wheel, from the factory.
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    Ok let me have a stab at this
    First ..what IGH you are looking for .....? I have one speed coaster wheels which are really affordable ( or two speed automatix which are affordable but not cheap ) In general add more speeds and the price goes up .... all the way to over a thousand dollar ..lol

    Now.. next step to need to measure the OLD Over Locknut Dimension .... that's the clearance between the frame where the wheel goes

    than u need dropouts with a slot verus the ones which have a hole slightly bigger than the axle
    or you can use a chain tensioner as well ... ( but why ... if you want an IGH )

    lots of questions to answer
    before you should get all exited about trying to achieve a 400 dlr IGH bike which competes with 700 dlr versions
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    Honestly, I'd get one of the Downtube $600-$700 IGH bikes, either the 16" or 20" wheeled version. With the belt drive which comes standard on either of them, you would not be able to build yourself a similar bike for less. I get bike shop discounts on parts. I know how to build my own wheels. And I would still go with a stock Downtube before I tried putting something together on my own, as proposed in the original post.
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    Novara Flyby is a 7 speed IGH bike for $599 at REI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus View Post
    Novara Flyby is a 7 speed IGH bike for $599 at REI.
    And twice a year or so it goes on Members Sale as it is REI house branded (their sales typically exclude bikes other than their house brand), even though it is actually either a Tern or a Dahon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike.gang.uk View Post
    This Sturmey Archer IGH is for Brompton upgrade to 5 Speed, don't know if the spec fits HASA BIKE

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    The Spoke holes are in the Hub-shell, the Core in various axle widths is an interchangeable Part ,

    .. if you take on the Expense and Bother to DIY or , have a shop exchange those parts ..

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    Looks I ks like the Citizen Miami is out because of the dropouts, thanks I missed them. Wanted to try a Sram Automatix for fun. I probably have a SA+AW 28 in my collection of hubs. my revised choices are the Hasa F3 and the Dahon Boardwalk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joek View Post
    Looks I ks like the Citizen Miami is out because of the dropouts, thanks I missed them. Wanted to try a Sram Automatix for fun. I probably have a SA+AW 28 in my collection of hubs. my revised choices are the Hasa F3 and the Dahon Boardwalk.
    If you're buying new, I strongly recommend the Dahon Speed Uno over the Dahon Boardwalk for this type of project. See:
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    One thing is very important: Get a bike with track fork ends, not vertical dropouts, or you won't be able to set chain tension.
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    Any opinions on the three ford branded dahon's?
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    Whats a three ford?


    Da Hon, fold in half type frame, is very often copied . It may not be Made by Mr. Hon, at all..

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    thats between you and Amazon, then..

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    Has anyone seen the ford/dahon models. don't want to be the guinea pig lol
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    I just ordered the Dahon C-Max,...thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joek View Post
    Has anyone seen the ford/dahon models. don't want to be the guinea pig lol
    Where are those sold retail, Ford dealers?

    The fact that there are three models with varying prices but similar looking frames implies that there are various levels of components on each.

    All are cheaper than the Dahon City Vybe so I would have to assume that all the components on those bikes are also cheaper.

    If so, that may not be great, as the Vybe is not the smoothest or most accurate shifting bike you will ride and isn't even close to the high end Dahon models.

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    It should be a basic upgradeable set of bikes. The fact they're Ford branded just might be the reason they carry a low price. Besides, once I get it, I'll check the serial number and see if it's a legit Dahon product. If not, I'll contact Amazon and send it back. Amazon DESPISES counterfeit merchandise.

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    I went with the Hasa F3 I'm at the upper weight limits for folders. Also amazon is out of stock on the fords, I haven't had good experiences in the past dealing with third party sellers on Amazon
    Last edited by joek; 06-22-15 at 01:13 PM. Reason: more specific
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    So, 2nd party purchase would be @ a Bike Shop? ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by joek View Post
    I went with the Hasa F3 I'm at the upper weight limits for folders. Also amazon is out of stock on the fords, I haven't had good experiences in the past dealing with third party sellers on Amazon
    Actually, Amazon has all 3 Ford bikes in stock. And any issues I've ever had with a 3rd party seller Amazon has made it right.

    As for weight limit, I'm 225lbs, so I'm on the heavy side as well. Hasa recommends a person weigh "under" 240lbs, and a Dahon is rated for 230lbs. Sounds pretty similar to me.

    But, it's all about what's best for you that matters. Enjoy!

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    The $100 saved will be put towards a sram automatix,rims etc... The Ford's were real tempting, but replacing the rims and hubs right away made no sense. I may end up with buyers remorse. lol
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    I see the Hasa F3 has horizontal fork ends, so good for IGH. I also see the rear wheel has 28 spokes so if you buy a 28H Automatix hub then you can use the same rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joek View Post
    The $100 saved will be put towards a sram automatix,rims etc... The Ford's were real tempting, but replacing the rims and hubs right away made no sense. I may end up with buyers remorse. lol
    Heh,...I got you. I have my Xootr Swift wheelset, and I can always upgrade the shifters and such. All good for us both I guess.

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