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Old 03-22-17, 12:47 PM   #26
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wouldn't work with the brake line
They could have fitted a different brake!
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I see Dr Hon has decided to use the catastrophically bad hinge latch design for the main tube hinge no less. One can only hope they did a proper design review to eliminate the design flaws of the original.
Hmm. By far the world's largest and most successful folding bike manufacturer, this bike over a decade in development, advertised as 'third generation', CNAS certified test lab in-house
, video clip of the frame being vibration tested on the Kickstarter page, all manufacturing done in house - yeah, they probably just slapped it together and are hoping for the best.

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The other severe problem I have with the general design, is the stempost slopes backwards leaving the rider with no option to have a more ergonomic stretched out posture...
I searched on 'handlebar extender' and got 43,000 hits. Looks like Thor's got some in stock.
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Jur.. you know how many of those plastic squares I sell ( or freebie ) during a year ?


Its less than 20 !


And that's all over the world. I am easy to find and people know I have spares, besides other stuff like 2 different stem extenders ( one in 3 colors )
If those plastic thingies break ( usually due to overtighten stuff, after it has been too loose ) in the amount of your thinking it would be thousands instead.
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All units will be carefully packed and shipped in a custom, reusable 25"x15"x25" 2ply box, with form fitting, high-density foam for maximum protection.

Well, that's pretty decent. @65" total, a persnickety ticket agent will ding you for oversize, though.

So they're offering a hard side flight case @59".

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Jur.. you know how many of those plastic squares I sell ( or freebie ) during a year ?


Its less than 20 !


And that's all over the world. I am easy to find and people know I have spares, besides other stuff like 2 different stem extenders ( one in 3 colors )
If those plastic thingies break ( usually due to overtighten stuff, after it has been too loose ) in the amount of your thinking it would be thousands instead.
There are multiple other issues with those clamps than just breaking plastic blocks. Breaking plastic blocks can be due to over-tightening but more fatally due to incorrect sliding plate operation. And there are multiple reasons for that possibility. The breaking plastic block is just a symptom of the flawed design. I think the most severe flaw is that you can't see if the clamp is malfunctioning from the outside. You basically are required to trust the Dahon engineering, and that trust has been violated in the past.
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No way I'd choose a non-suspended design of this kind. I'm curious as to whether the steerer tube is built into the stem/handlepost as I think it ought to be on folding bikes in general. It looks like that might be the case, and that would increase stiffness significantly in the place where it's greatly needed. But I want rear suspension on wheels this small.
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Doing away with the twiddly brompton latches is a significant improvement, largely because of how much they protrude from the folded package... I've found they can cause trouble on crowded public transport, hooking onto other people's bags etc..
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No way I'd choose a non-suspended design of this kind. I'm curious as to whether the steerer tube is built into the stem/handlepost as I think it ought to be on folding bikes in general. It looks like that might be the case, and that would increase stiffness significantly in the place where it's greatly needed. But I want rear suspension on wheels this small.
+1

You can also get a Brooks Champion Flyer or a quality suspension seat post.

Dahon must have spent a fortune on this bike over the years because I've never seen them take so much time. They must really believe in this bike.
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Brand X reacts to the news the Curl is shipping to customers:

Dahon Curl announced on Kickstarter - Caption Generator
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What is the spacing on the rear axle? Maybe it can handle an 8sp hub? Not sure why they use a 3sp. The pricing is confusing ( distributor only??? ), and it is not very cost effective. I am sure it will get funded, but I would not expect a windfall like Helix.

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I'm not tempted after looking over the specs. The Vitesse D3 (mine was $500 new) weighs the same or less, can also fit into an airline legal suitcase, but offers a faster and more stable ride, more upgrade/customization options, can transport more luggage, and can fit someone 6'4'' tall. The only advantage the Curl/Brompton design offers, the smaller fold, would not be enough to offset all these disadvantages to me, since the Vitesse frame also folds small enough to carry onto buses and trains, although it does take up a little more space.

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Old 03-23-17, 09:07 AM   #42
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What is the spacing on the rear axle? Maybe it can handle an 8sp hub? Not sure why they use a 3sp. The pricing is confusing ( distributor only??? ), and it is not very cost effective. I am sure it will get funded, but I would not expect a windfall like Helix.

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I agree, as a lay person, I'm not sure how the Curl will tempt people away from the Brompton. Maybe all those new patents will really result in a much better ride but that kind of info will take awhile to trickle down to potential buyers. And even if it really does ride better, people will still go with Brompton because...it's a Brompton.

As far as I can tell the Curl isn't cheaper than a Brompton. It's not any lighter. It offers 3 gears whilst the Brompton offers up to 6. It doesn't have a carrier block and that's a huge sell to many folks. And again, it's not a Brompton.

And I'm a Dahon owner and decidedly not a Brompton fan. The bike doesn't fit me for comfortable riding and I was slightly horrified to find out how heavy it was even as I was enamored by its compact fold. I would have loved the Curl to be lighter, have more gearing and a luggage truss--that would be a Brompton killer for me.
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The stem/handlepost being in line with the steerer tube also strikes me as a really odd decision. Earlier versions were not like this and I can't see any benefit to it.
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Saw that Kickstarter before seeing this thread. My first reaction was that people will be ripping apart this bike well before they even see one. And what do you know, the first post after seeing Kickstarter video is doing just that.

It doesn't matter if this bike is good or not really. Brompton is fashion, people aren't going to switch because there is a better bike, there have always been better bikes.
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Isn't this below your writing?!

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Whenever I see a Brompton I imagine my grandmother saying "this is the bike I rode when I was a young girl". It has zero style, it's heavy and was designed to be a shopping trolley rather than a bike. That is how I view the Brompton. The bike friday doesn't look much better.
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Nope. Hate that kind of styling. I want like a Tern or highend Dahon type of look but not folding. Just an attractive small bike that looks like it was made in 2017 rather than 1817.
You are accusing others of following some fashion!?
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I see Dr Hon has decided to use the catastrophically bad hinge latch design for the main tube hinge no less. One can only hope they did a proper design review to eliminate the design flaws of the original. Still, I wouldn't TOUCH it.

The other severe problem I have with the general design, is the stempost slopes backwards leaving the rider with no option to have a more ergonomic stretched out posture, even while it is claimed to have been designed for "pros and giants!"

The KS campaign is CLEARLY just used for its free publicity aspect. Nothing is being kick-started here. It is directly aimed at trying to look better than a Brompton. I can only find negative points.

If this is such a flawed design and fails catastrophically why haven't the lawyers driven it from the market place. As a regular reader here, and general hobbyist and daily rider, and owner of several of these hinges, this is the first I have heard that it is a failed design. Its been in production at least a decade on many of Dahons popular models.

I can understand if you have preferences and I respect it when a case is made. Calling it catastrophic is an overstatement.

I see many positives to this announcement.
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Isn't this below your writing?!





You are accusing others of following some fashion!?
One is to buy a bike because it is a certain style of bike, the other is to buy a bike because it is a certain brand. Huge difference.
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One is to buy a bike because it is a certain style of bike, the other is to buy a bike because it is a certain brand. Huge difference.
And then there's also the possibility of NOT buying a bike because it is a certain brand...
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Dahon must have spent a fortune on this bike over the years because I've never seen them take so much time. They must really believe in this bike.
Maybe we enthusiasts/riders have it backwards. Maybe Dahon's Curl was never about providing a useful option to consumers - maybe its many, many flirtations with availability were repeated messages from Dahon to Brompton: 'We can compete with you. We choose not to. Stay in your place'. (Fun fact: Brompton is a much smaller company, shipping about 5% as many units as Dahon.)

But in 2015 Brompton moved to a larger, single location factory and announced they would challenge Dahon for the top of the Asian market by doubling their production in five years with aggressive plans to expand into China.

So perhaps response, Dahon said, "Well, if that's the way you want to play," and finally put its own interpretation of the classic Ritchie design - the only design Brompton builds - on the market.

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