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Old 03-31-17, 08:18 PM   #76
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Dahon in all objective judgement, does not need Kickstarter to launch their bike.

Its really about reaching out to buyers with a different value preposition from their traditional clientele.

They have always had a hard time selling anything above the US$1k threshold, as they have always been associated with budget /value folders. And people tend to only look at Dahon if and only they are looking in that direction.

When people are willing to spend over US$1k on a folder, they usually look away and into boutique stuff like Bike Friday, Brompton, Birdy, etc, etc, as they have been marketed as such right from the start.

The Curl has to be in that price bracket if it is to be profitable.

Hence, the need to reach out to new clientele looking for something different and willing to spend that kind of money on a bike from them. Kickstarter helps give them that kind of reach somewhat.
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Over here, a single-speed Strida sells for €700/$750 and a three-speed Brompton sells for €1,200/$1,300.

At around €800-900, the Curl could be successful, even with its small flaws.
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Lots of interest and discussion here. I was at Taipei and got to ride the Curl on the ergometer ride. It really felt good. Very stiff, both torsionally and in the bridge section. The back triangle connection, likewise is very firm, not flexy or squishy. The Eifel Handlebar as well as the Frame Hinge are exquisite to look at, and again, they are very secure. All of these elements are new developments that were significantly advanced in the new Curl. I did see G2 Curl a few years ago (pictured above) and the new bike is noticably changed an improved. I should add, the "left+right" downtube elements in the frame bring much of this rigidity, and I have never seen that element in other bikes. It is quite nifty for allowing the rear wheel, connected to the rear triangle, to fold literally between the down tube elements.

The folding and unfolding of the bike is generally pretty easy. Does take a little bit of learning but the ability to go from a Thoroughbred on wheels to a very tight, suitcase packable package is very nice. The Curl will be a consummate travel bike I am sure.

This is, perhaps, the first Dahon bike which folds the rear triangle under, but as noted before, there have been several predecessors to this, not just one. Nearly all Dahon bikes feature Frame folds (this one is slightly more forward on account of the rear triangle). It is also a beauty to behold and appears to be "one step further" than any frame hinge I have seen. The Handle Post features a beautiful and rigid "Eifel" design (yes, copied from Eifel in a way). It is very nice to look at and very rigid in hand. The ergometer test had dozens of riders and it was easy to see just how stiff the bike was. I am 100 kg (ok 99) and it supported me very comfortably.

So, that's my first take on the bike. I can't wait to try it on the streets. This will be a great travel bike.

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I have been working with Dahon directly since this past October, having worked independently with Dahon for the past several years.
I am also the owner of a small bike shop in Boulder CO, Nomadic, Inc. that is an authorized dealer for Dahon and other brands.

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To explain the choice made by Dahon to not include a lug in the front to fasten a luggage block, someone above explained that it was due to protruding cables in the front.

However, several models from Dahon, such as the Mu D8, do have that lug while cables are pretty upfront, even taking into account that Dahon uses a truss that's longer than Brompton's luggage block.

Was there really no way for Dahon to weld a lug on the front tube?
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To explain the choice made by Dahon to not include a lug in the front to fasten a luggage block, someone above explained that it was due to protruding cables in the front.

However, several models from Dahon, such as the Mu D8, do have that lug while cables are pretty upfront, even taking into account that Dahon uses a truss that's longer than Brompton's luggage block.

Was there really no way for Dahon to weld a lug on the front tube?
Maybe they'll add one on.
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How come Dahon has become so extremely popular? Are they the best manufacturers right now?
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I have been working with Dahon directly since this past October, having worked independently with Dahon for the past several years.
I am also the owner of a small bike shop in Boulder CO, Nomadic, Inc. that is an authorized dealer for Dahon and other brands.
Landis - Welcome!

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To explain the choice made by Dahon to not include a lug in the front to fasten a luggage block, someone above explained that it was due to protruding cables in the front.

However, several models from Dahon, such as the Mu D8, do have that lug while cables are pretty upfront, even taking into account that Dahon uses a truss that's longer than Brompton's luggage block.

Was there really no way for Dahon to weld a lug on the front tube?
Maybe on the 4th or next version. i4?
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Old 04-05-17, 08:32 PM   #84
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Maybe on the 4th or next version. i4?
I'm thinking that something, not sure what, will be in shipping versions.
I've also had bags like this one that I made work very well.

(I'm too new here to post a picture so well' give it some time)

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I'm thinking that something, not sure what, will be in shipping versions.
I've also had bags like this one that I made work very well.

(I'm too new here to post a picture so well' give it some time)

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How come Dahon has become so extremely popular? Are they the best manufacturers right now?
IMO, Dahons popularity is due to there full product line. They have good quality, competitive products in several categories (price levels). This new offering goes head to head with one of the best compact folders at the upper end. (Brompton).

Are they the best? IMO, Dahon has offerings that should be considered, if looking for the best buy in select categories. There are others mfgs which a person would also be wise to consider. Just look at some of the threads on this forum.

I think it is exciting to see all of the great NEW folders coming out, carbon fiber, titanium, compact etc... Its a vibrant market that is only getting better.

If you had a more specific question about the best folder which to buy at a specific price range and type, you would receive many well informed opinions on this forum.
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Old 04-07-17, 07:55 PM   #88
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I don't know if it was done in jest.
But I found it quite funny the suggestion that one of the pictured bike,a diblasi which pre dates and inspired the Brompton rear fold under design , was shown as a possible copyright infringer of the Brompton design...
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Some of the (many!) prototypes of the Curl have featured some pretty trick forward or side folding seatposts to snug the saddle down onto the frame. While this latest example no longer has any such feature, many of the pictures I see of it folded have the upper seatpost (yes, the Curl has a double telescoping seatpost) pulled out and the saddle nestled into the folded frame.

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This additional step allows a smaller package when required, but it's unclear if there's any retention or if the saddle+seatpost becomes a gravity-retained but otherwise loose part.

The Brompton has significantly better cable management, but, and it's a big but, any particular Brompton model's handlebar height is a one-size-fits-all proposition while the Curl has an adjustable height handlepost.

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Whether one can establish a folded+deployed bar height specific to themselves on the Curl and then improve the factory's cable routing remains to be seen. Perhaps the cable dangle can be mitigated merely by rotating the bars.

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...it's unclear if there's any retention or if the saddle+seatpost becomes a gravity-retained but otherwise loose part.
The saddle+seatpost is held by that small 'holster' mounted on the left-front dropout.

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The hump in the main member is going to make for quite a high step over, may not suit everyone's physical comfort.
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It is high for a folding bike with 16" wheels but probably not much higher than the MU frame with 20" wheels....
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The Brompton has significantly better cable management, but, and it's a big but, any particular Brompton model's handlebar height is a one-size-fits-all proposition while the Curl has an adjustable height handlepost.

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Whether one can establish a folded+deployed bar height specific to themselves on the Curl and then improve the factory's cable routing remains to be seen. Perhaps the cable dangle can be mitigated merely by rotating the bars.
With the caveat that I've never seen one in person, it seems like the extra cable needed to adjust the handlebar up high is what causes the sloppy cable when folded rather than the routing. If one knew what height one needed then tightening up the sloppy cable while folded could be done by shortening the housing.
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How come Dahon has become so extremely popular? Are they the best manufacturers right now?
Dahon is the largest for several reasons. However one of the biggest reasons is they are pretty much available all over the world. They distribute from their own warehouse in many parts of the world---they do in the USA.

They also use retail bike shops which puts their product in a lot more locations. Virtually any bicycle dealer in the USA can order their bikes.

They also have a wide variety of bikes available. Low end one speeds, inexpensive 7 speeds, medium priced steel bikes with pretty good components ----Speed P8--- and aluminum frames with Ok, Good, and great component packages.

They have been in business a long time also.

With consistant long term sales and availability and good product most business will do well. Also having the margin to let the dealer make some margin helps.
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Why do I own Dahon? Because they make a type of folding bike that no other manufacturer offers, the so-called 'shark' bikes with standard, diamond-shape geometry with Lockjaw hinges. They are also sensibly priced.





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Dahon is the largest for several reasons. However one of the biggest reasons is they are pretty much available all over the world. They distribute from their own warehouse in many parts of the world---they do in the USA.

They also use retail bike shops which puts their product in a lot more locations. Virtually any bicycle dealer in the USA can order their bikes.

They also have a wide variety of bikes available. Low end one speeds, inexpensive 7 speeds, medium priced steel bikes with pretty good components ----Speed P8--- and aluminum frames with Ok, Good, and great component packages.

They have been in business a long time also.

With consistant long term sales and availability and good product most business will do well. Also having the margin to let the dealer make some margin helps.
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Abu, I like your bikes a lot, your choice of bars turns my stomach----grin--
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I think the bulk of this would have been better left unsaid. Shrug. It's not my business to run.

Folding Bikes by DAHON DAHON CURL - Answers to FAQs ? Folding Bikes by DAHON

(At least one) inaccuracy: they state the Brompton was still using the Bickerton style folding handlebars until the mid- to late-1980s. There are documented example (prototype) Bromptons with the Dahon patented folding bars at least as early as 1982. Okay, that's still two years after the Dahon patent, but still.

BTW, I haven't seen a published rear OLD, but if the Curl will fit the SRAM i3, it will (retro)fit almost any hub gear made. I'm surprised Dahon hasn't pointed out the discontinued i3 is, from an OEM standpoint, basically interchangeable with the 3spd hubs from Shimano and Sturmey. Hmm. What if Dahon bought the SRAM IGH business?

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I hope someone does and continues that legacy. Good info, thanks tcs.
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Is the Curl being shipped already? What will eventually be its price? And why did Dahon wait for twenty years?


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