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Old 04-17-17, 10:34 AM   #26
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Really? Good to know.
Newer totally trust other peopels "best" lists but take a look at the bikes they present and try to decide what is best for you. It is my impression that you do not know enough about folding bikes to spend the kind of money you are planning on spending. You should read some more and ride some bikes before you decide. Maybe buy a second hand Dahon speed 8 and ride it for some time. When you decide what you are not happy about (if anything) you can spend some more on your next bike (and maybe sell the first one for the same price as you payd for it).
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Of the two bikes you're considering IMHO there's only one choice, the BF NWT. I've had mine for about 5 years now and it's a fantastic bike of high build quality and exceptional ride characteristics.
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what badmother said is kinda harsh .. but its the truth . You are looking a vastly different bikes with very different design parameters ... Yes I understand that all of this is difficult .
it also gets peoples blood burning with discussions about steel versus alloy
hub gears or derrailleur and 406 versus 451 ...


406 is a common 20 inch size like BMX wheels ..
451 is also 20 inch... but a taller tire ( you could say 22 inch in laymens terms )
451 has limited tire choices ... usually a thinner lighter tire ... as the bikes is designed for fast riding . the larger diameter makes it possible to achieve higher gear ratios .. meaning you can go 30 miles fast and still peddle ... But with the right design and availabilty of longer cage deralleurs and huge spread of sprockets up to 40 teeth ..the 451 has its place ( again usually for the more performance orientated rider )


steel versus alloy ... when the first alloy bikes came on the scene the alloy was very thick and indeed not forgiving versus the high performance tubing from reynolds or columbus ... A folding bike is usually better if it is stiff and not flexy like a noodle ... stiff is not the same as comfort ! COmfort you can do with bigger fatter tires with less air or a nicer saddle, but even a comfort bike should not flex ...
Alloy will coroode steel will rust ... either way your folding bike needs cleaning and should be hung of th back of a boat in salt water. Or left unattended outside for 5 years .


Crmo versus hi ten .. Hi Ten is easier to weld, much heavier, usually reserved for lower end bicycles
Crmo is lighter much stronger and not as easy to weld ... both will rust the same if no care is given


It all depends on whet you like ... easy folding, a good ride, supercompact, lightweight , cheap, huge gear spread , easy uphill or fast downhill... and so much more... there is nothing which clicks all the boxes


I usually suggest a speed d 8 in white ... we have 2 left for the special dahon closeout price , Its a good honest good quality bike, where one could start to modify it down the road or leave it like it is and get some experience with foldies. Buying a 1500 dlr bike without exactly knowing why is usually not my recomendation


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Really? Good to know.
There are some folding bike reviewers on Youtube, you should check them out
https://www.youtube.com/user/nycewheels
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There are some folding bike reviewers on Youtube, you should check them out
https://www.youtube.com/user/nycewheels
https://www.youtube.com/user/FoldingBicycle
NYCE wheels is fine, but bikefolded? I'm not so sure.

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I'd buy an FSIR/Solorock Spin 5.0 for $499...

...then upgrade the components and drivetrain over time, as needed or desired, with the remaining $700. In fact, I did just that.



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NYCE wheels is fine, but bikefolded? I'm not so sure.

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Those two are the best folding bike channels I can find on Youtube. Any other suggestion?
Btw, why I can't find any Downtube bike review on the 2 channels?
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We don't have dealers nor do we want dealers, that eliminates NYCE. I recall bikefolded asked for a free bike, which we are unable to provide.

I have received zero free samples in 14 years of selling bikes. Hence I find it difficult to justify giving away free bicycles. FYI I will always loan bikes for press.

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is the rear a freewheel? It's not clear to me.

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Looks like a freehub which is to be expected.
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I thought it looked like a freewheel, which I found surprising.

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Newer totally trust other peopels "best" lists but take a look at the bikes they present and try to decide what is best for you. It is my impression that you do not know enough about folding bikes to spend the kind of money you are planning on spending. You should read some more and ride some bikes before you decide. Maybe buy a second hand Dahon speed 8 and ride it for some time. When you decide what you are not happy about (if anything) you can spend some more on your next bike (and maybe sell the first one for the same price as you payd for it).
A little bit of experience goes a long way towards a much better purchase. I may have missed where the OP resides, but going to a few shops to test ride and fold a few bikes will give a much better context for what one wants and needs. Following the quoted advice and buying used to get some real world experience before buying new is an excellent idea.

Without this context, it's really easy to get confused and lost in the sea of advice.
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451mm and people say that the problem is lack of tires and replacements.? That was my first choice actually.
What is stranger is that while we are all posting this on the internet some here don't realise there is a thing called the internet and that any tire can be bought from anywhere, shipped right to your door.

Personally my choice in folders is light and fast. I'd never buy a steel bike, seems ridiculous to me, there are far better materials to make bikes from. Out of your two choices I'd get the Allen just because I find the bike friday kind of strange looking. They both have too many gears though, 1x11 is far more than enough and it's lighter. I also prefer 406 over 451 rims again because of weight. The advantage of the bike friday is that you can order it the way you want it (though you can only chose what they allow you to chose from..).

I am quite happy with my folder (custom Dahon Mu LT 11), even if it's not my "ideal" bike. It's 8-something KG, 11 speed, has a rotor disc (egg shaped front cog, feels very nice). It feels stiff and nimble to ride, a pleasure. Lower end steel bikes are ok but I don't get the same buzz from riding them, they feel sluggish.

For your price range I'd suggest a second hand Dahon Mu SLX but they don't exist in your neck of the woods.
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The advantage of the bike friday is that you can order it the way you want it (though you can only chose what they allow you to chose from..).
Actually, Bike Friday will install parts you send them (if they don't have it) if you ask them. I've done this during my overhaul. Just talk to them about exactly what you want and they will help you get it. They are incredibly flexible about your build since it is built to order and they aren't having to take stuff off.
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A little bit of experience goes a long way towards a much better purchase. I may have missed where the OP resides, but going to a few shops to test ride and fold a few bikes will give a much better context for what one wants and needs. Following the quoted advice and buying used to get some real world experience before buying new is an excellent idea.

Without this context, it's really easy to get confused and lost in the sea of advice.
I didn't want to muddy the waters further....but wading in...another way to dip the toes in is buy used. The OP is in San Diego so there should be a thriving Craigslist scene. I went through this process last summer, had an enormous amount of help and advice from the forum and it was a bit overwhelming. Do I spend several hundreds or go into low thousand territory. I live in a major metropolitan area and even though there are LBS that carry folders, it's pretty much Brompton. The other only major store near me takes over an hour by train and bike to get to. And even then, it was Brompton and a couple of Dahon models. After some adventures, I decided my comfort level was to buy a used folder. I stalked CL for about 3 weeks to find my bike at a very reasonable price. As a folder novice, I looked for established brands and a bike that needed very little work.

My used Dahon is far from perfect, but I have had it for about 8 months and now, feel much more comfortable and ready with buying a new folder and splurging a bit. I'm far from an expert, but at least now I know much more about what I like and want from a folder. OP, if you are patient and don't mind the CL game, this may be the route for you to get to know folders by actually owning one but at a fraction of a cost. When you're ready to upgrade, I'm sure you can put the used one back on CL and get a few dollars back too. So it's not a huge financial burden of having to buy two bikes.
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The NWT from Bike Friday has a triple up front giving you a much lower granny gear for climbing hills especially if you are loaded.

Both folders I ride a lot have a single chainring up front and a cassette in back---do not buy a freewheel bike---

Steel bikes will have a more issues with rusting----if you leave them outside or you ride on the snow and ice in the winter. Icemelt it nasty nasty stuff.

Long term value Bike Friday is an awesome company and the NWT a great design, but not a quick folder. Even used the Bike fridays in good shape are bringing 60-80% of new price. American Hand Made is awesome. Also the bike will definitely fit you well.

I also agree with 406 as a better wheel size than 451.
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How big you are is a factor also. If you are taller than 6'1" The bike Friday sizing system really shines...
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