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Old 07-01-17, 01:06 PM   #1
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Dahon Curl i8: Limited Edition! 35th Anvrs Special! Etc, etc!

Here: Folding Bikes by DAHON 35th Anniversary DAHON CURL i8 Now Available for Pre-Order ? Folding Bikes by DAHON

The Curl i8 has either 7 or 8 speeds, a load limit of 130 or 150kg, and one has to sign up by either August 31st or September 15th - all depending on which paragraph you choose to go by in the offer.

A 'strict' production limit of 500 seems ambitious, given just 61 folks signed up on Kickstarter for the Curl i3 at an average of $500USD less than the offering price of this i8, and not a single one of those Kickstarter backers has so much as seen a picture of production Curls being built back at the Chinese factory. No projected ship/delivery dates are mentioned for the i8.

Still, one might think this is a pretty safe bet, Dahon being the self-proclaimed oldest and largest folding bike manufacturer in the world - but then the company reneged on a portion of their Kickstarter campaign just a few weeks after the pledge window closed.

Dahon Curl - what a long, strange road it's been since the 2007 Taipei Cycle Show.

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Old 07-02-17, 07:59 AM   #2
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A 'strict' production limit of 500 seems ambitious, given just 61 folks signed up on Kickstarter for the Curl i3
If I counted right is were 49 folks, ordering 51 bikes and - according to the comments-section - a couple of them have already jumped of the train again as Dahon is not willing or able to build and deliver the hard-case for the Curl that was offered and that the backers paid for.

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Still, one might think this is a pretty safe bet, Dahon being the self-proclaimed oldest and largest folding bike manufacturer in the world
The "self-proclaimed"-part is important as it is obviously a lie. Brompton was founded in 1976 (therefor being older than Dahon) and before Brompton there was Bickerton, that still exists today (but today probably mainly as a subsidiary of Tern).

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Dahon Curl - what a long, strange road it's been since the 2007 Taipei Cycle Show.
I think it was at Taipeh 2000 when the Curl was first publicly announced, so even a couple of years earlier.

So Dahon - the world's biggest folding bike manufacturer - needed 18 years from the first public announcement (and possibly a couple more years silently working) to be able to sell a copy of the 40 year old Brompton-design - and they still have not been delivering. They also sold a hardcase for the bike (like the one Brompton has been selling for almost 20 years now) but are unable to deliver it due to "nobody can deliver the level of quality" - strangely enough Dahon is not that famous for quality and cases like this are a commodity, being built and sold by countless companies around the globe.

And then they create a anniversary model of the curl that tops the copy approach of the standard model by even copying the color-scheme of the classic Brompton in red and black. It seems that after 35 years Dahon's approach is more like "better a good copy than a bad invention". Just that the copy that they offer seems not to be so well made. What a catastrophic and embarrising capitulation for a company if the best you can offer for your companies anniversary is a bunch of questionable claims and a cheap copy of a competitors design that seems not even to be well made!

Brompton's CEO Butler-Adams once said in an interview a couple of years ago that Brompton would not need patents and still was not in fear of copists as the thing was so hard to make and the copists just would not get it how to do it properly. Maybe he was right...
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For this price I'd get a Brompton with a custom rear, rocking an 8 speed igh. Dahon is out of their cotton pickin minds!!!
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I think it was at Taipeh 2000 when the Curl was first publicly announced, so even a couple of years earlier.
Love to see some documentation on that. The original Curl patent wasn't filed until March 2007. It's nonsensical to publicly show a design years before filing a patent.
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The "self-proclaimed"-part is important as it is obviously a lie. Brompton was founded in 1976 (therefor being older than Dahon) and before Brompton there was Bickerton, that still exists today (but today probably mainly as a subsidiary of Tern).
To be fair - not that that's ever a requirement on this board! - Dr. Hon's quote was actually 'Dahon, the oldest and biggest company of its kind'. There are some reasonable definitions of 'its kind' that would allow his statement to be accurate.
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To be fair - not that that's ever a requirement on this board! - Dr. Hon's quote was actually 'Dahon, the oldest and biggest company of its kind'. There are some reasonable definitions of 'its kind' that would allow his statement to be accurate.
Good point! Probably every company is unique in one way or another. Therefor every company is "the oldest company of it's kind". Makes the claim a bit worthless, but hey...
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The 8 IGH is much more appealing configuration. I signed up on the provided link. Tks
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the kickstarter bikes are almost on their way .
yes the box has been nixed, people got their money back, kept the low price for the bikes.


35 year ones.... will happening soon that they will be available to sign up for ... if early sign up ( end of August ) the bike will have the signature laser edged .... I will order a few more for late collectors of the 35 anniversary model (than without signature ) expect them to be here October/November
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the kickstarter bikes are almost on their way .
Dahon promised backers they'd be shipped yesterday. Just sayin'.

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Yes the box has been nixed, people got their money back, kept the low price for the bikes.
The handful of backers for the hardshell case have been promised they will at some point in the future get their money back on the case, but they got stuck with a higher (but still discounted) price for just the bike than they could have gotten if the bike+case had never been offered. Shrug. That's Kickstarter for ya'.

Dahon did sweeten the Kickstarter offer with a free soft carry bag and free shipping - but that was for all backers, not just the ones they stiffed on the hardshell case.

The explanation that Dahon did not have/could not find the technology to manufacture the hardshell case is a head scratcher. Hard cases with rollers, handles and foam inserts are easily 40+ year old technology. A more reasonable explanation would be that only a handful of cases were pre-ordered and Dahon chose to not invest in the tooling to create them at this time. Without more information, though, that approaches scurrilous speculation.

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about that shipping date .... they might be almost reasy for shipping .... meaning the container is being shipped from china
takes 3 to 4 weeks to arrive here in the states ... than another couple days to ship to consumer
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