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Old 08-08-17, 04:49 AM   #1
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Front pannier as handlebar bag ?

Hello,

To carry a bit more cargo on my Brompton, I'm thinking of hanging a front pannier from the handlebar facing backwards, either by adding a Klickfix contraption or an horizontal tube with Jubilee Clips/hose clamps.

Has someone tried this? Thoughts?

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I`ve got a Caddy facing backwards on my B. Just take some time and find the right spot so it does not affect the fold. I put a Klickfix "plate" on an old rucksack from my sons preeschool days (it was too good to throw away) just like what you linked to. I use it as a handlebar bag that I can easily thrrow on m back when the bike is folded.

Brompton with backpack as luggage by bad.mother@ymail.com, on Flickr

Putting the same "plate" on a front pannier should be no problem. Then it is up to you how much you want to carry on that stem.

I have decided to put a Brompton adaptor thingy I bought off E-bay and a clickfix plate on one small front pannier to make a waterproof bag a bit bigger than the O bag that can be used in different places on multiple bikes.
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Thanks for the info.

In the front, you bought the frame that's used in the Brompton* bags to carry a regular bag.

Would you happen to know the reference number of the Klickfix part that must be added to a bag?


Rixen & Kaul, KLICKfix Adaptersysteme Fahrradzubehör, Solingen, Taschen, Körbe, Werkzeug

* Made by Radical Design from the NL
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Found it elsewhere on the web, as Rixen-Kaul doesn't advertise it on their own site:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rixen-Kaul-.../dp/B001CCNCUU

It appears that Basil makes a Klickfix-compatible alternative:
https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/...ery_country=40
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Maybe they want you to buy a bag and not just the adaptor ;-)

Looks like just one of the two parts but you can DIY the other part:

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/luggage/...red-qr-button/

I have not seen the Basil one, only on the net.
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Brompton front bag frames have been modified to hang a pannier from.

the hooks clip over the bag frame tubes
you can always drill out the pop rivets, and bend new differently shaped. aluminum tubes, then replace the pop rivets..
seen wider bag frame, put a rear pannier on the front, and 2 front panniers rear facing..





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Brompton front bag frames have been modified to hang a pannier from.

the hooks clip over the bag frame tubes
you can always drill out the pop rivets, and bend new differently shaped. aluminum tubes, then replace the pop rivets..
seen wider bag frame, put a rear pannier on the front, and 2 front panniers rear facing..


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Not sure I would bend Aluminium. What I did I bought a C frame and drilled out the rivets, cut off some cm`s on each side and re installed using self tapping screws. Made it narrower.

Bending steel tubes we filled them with fine sand and bent them over a curved piece of wood we screwed to a solid table. Bending alu is possible but there is something about heating it to 200 C (rub some hard soap on it and when the soap is brownng it is the right temp...). I decided not to risk having the aluminium fail on me pecouse I did something wrong. I am sure there are DIY tutorials on the net about bending Alu. Maybe Titanium is easyer to bend?
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shoe benders . Think Muffler shops / exhaust tubes .. simple type 2 lever (axis-work-effort)

curved shoe supports the inside bend radius, and then a roller on an arm with the axis of the bend the axis of the arm.
forces the tube against the curved 'shoe'..
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shoe benders . Think Muffler shops / exhaust tubes .. simple type 2 lever (axis-work-effort)

curved shoe supports the inside bend radius, and then a roller on an arm with the axis of the bend the axis of the arm.
forces the tube against the curved 'shoe'..
Fine, but most peopel do not own them. Can you confirm that you have bent aluminium this way without weakening the tube?

How many threads is there in the BF saying "cold setting a steel frame is fine but do`nt even think about bending an alu frame"?

Here peopel who do this for a living talk about destroying a lot of tubes before you learn:

OT - How to bend Aluminum tubing

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012GMKV8...glink128401-20

I really think you should know better than to suggest peopel "just do it"!!
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you can make a lot of the parts out of wood..

big difference aluminum bike frames are heat treated aluminum,, welded, annealed to neutralize welding stresses, then re heat treated..

you can get alloy tubing in some non heat treated aluminum ,, some low end road bars are also left not heat treated..

(over time you see them bending down..)

As seen on the web, folks have used the existing tubing cut the thing narrower and then re riveted..





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you can make a lot of the parts out of wood..

big difference aluminum bike frames are heat treated aluminum,, welded, annealed to neutralize welding stresses, then re heat treated..

you can get alloy tubing in some non heat treated aluminum ,, some low end road bars are also left not heat treated..

(over time you see them bending down..)

As seen on the web, folks have used the existing tubing cut the thing narrower and then re riveted.....
First of all you did not answer my question: "Can you confirm that you have bent aluminium this way without weakening the tube?"

Secondly: "This can be done and that can be done". A lot of things can be done without being a good idea to suggest "most peopel" just do it.

And: "you can get alloy tubing in some non heat treated aluminum, some low end road bars are also left not heat treated..

(over time you see them bending down..)" Ok, so you suggest peopel hang heavy luggage from tiny tubes (compared to road bars) that you know are going to give in.

My experience buying aluminium is that a lot of places they have no clue what they sell. The place I go for aluminium most often they do not even know they sell it. I know what dark corner to go to and that I have to climb over a pallet or two.

When I buy aluminium from the guys that know what they are doing I buy it in lenghts of 6 meters (approx 6 yards). I`d like to see you transport that on your Bromton (with the Schlumpf) and I`d like to see you store the alu you are not using in your house (approx 5 meters).

And: "As seen on the web, folks have used the existing tubing cut the thing narrower and then re riveted....."

Exactry, like I just told you I did...

If you are bored (again) I suggest you go fishing- or go looking for me in the woods...
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Note, the Brompton Dealer& Frame builder in Glasgow, Ben Cooper, offers a double pannier mount
Reusing the plastic Brompton front bag rack parts.
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"How to fit a Ortlieb Classic Back Roller to the front of your Brompton."

Thanks much. This is not what I want to do (the bagage block is already used to hold a T-bag; so the modified pannier would sit on the handlebar or stem, and point backwards), but the info could be handy one day.
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You can also very easily hang a pannier from the saddle, I suppose you have seen my pics?
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