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Old 08-09-17, 01:13 PM   #26
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I agree with you on colours but not sure it is economical. Peopel would refuse to buy a bike at full price if it is in a crazy colour if they wanted something neutral. You could buy a bike in a plain colour and dress in crazy colours instead...

I think there has been a lot of ugly bikes these last few years, lots of colours and logos, butt ugly. Much better if you have to walk up to the bike and take a close look to find out what it is.
Yeah I see your point... But if you have simple colors as an option and then other "wilder" colors for those looking for something different may increase interest into dahon over brompton. And understated decal/branding will make the bike look more or less sleek than something I'd see at Walmart. Matching accessories is always a plus but probably is unrealistic considering most folks either don't care or would rather just buy a brompton.

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That's pretty much what the Burke 20 is.

The Curl (i.e. classic Andrew Ritchie design) folds 'square'. That works okay @ 16". I like the Caracle better @ 20", folding rectangular. Its greatest folded dimension reaches up to the rider (actually, pedestrian!) for folded rolling and manipulation during multi-modal use, and it drops into a commercial 62" airline suitcase without any disassembly or loose parts.
At 5,000$ I can see why I never knew about Burke! Maybe it's possible or maybe not... in the end making a 20inch version of a brompton (price range) would be a game changer in my mind.

But again I am not in the world of bikes or know what goes into the business of making bikes. Just my two cents
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Not that it would solve the "too many models" issue, but I would like to see the Vitesse D3 replaced with both the Curve I3 20" and the Boardwalk I3.
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...the Boardwalk I3.
I thought this 'international' Boardwalk i5 (Shimano SG-5R35 IGH) was nifty.

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I thought this 'international' Boardwalk i5 (Shimano SG-5R35 IGH) was nifty.
Oh yes,...sexy sexy!!!
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I thought this 'international' Boardwalk i5 (Shimano SG-5R35 IGH) was nifty.

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Or that. I was on the euro Dahon site and only saw the i3 Boardwalk.

Get rid of the Vitesse and offer the Curve 20" as the higher end alternative, and the Boardwalk as the stripped down, less expensive 20" 3sp model. Or the Vybe instead of the Boardwalk.
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Old 08-10-17, 11:31 PM   #32
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Id like dahon to make bikes that look good. It's a simple thing that doesn't add to the cost and you could be doing, but at present it's like nobody cares. Some of the terns look great, why can't dahon even match them?

As for new models, maybe I am an outlier but give me. 7kg non folding non classic triangle fame bike that looks awesome and I'll throw cash at you.

Oh and let us buy custom parts for those of us who want to pimp our rides. I'd pay a huge sum of cash for a non folding light handle post, and I am sure many people want dahon pro wheels as they are the best 406 rims but for some reason dahon won't sell them.

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...maybe I am an outlier but give me. 7kg non folding...
To request a non-folding model from a company that specializes in folding bikes probably does make you an outlier on the Folding Bike forum.
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Not sure exactly why but the Speed remains a favourite for me. I think because of the timeless style of the frame.
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At 5,000$ I can see why I never knew about Burke! Maybe it's possible or maybe not... in the end making a 20inch version of a brompton (price range) would be a game changer in my mind.

But again I am not in the world of bikes or know what goes into the business of making bikes. Just my two cents
Not exactly a 20 inch Brompton, but the Ahooga is an electric bike with 20 inch wheels and a similarly compact fold.

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I don't know if Dahon even makes them worldwide anymore, but their mini-velo models with either lockjaw folding or no folding... I liked them.
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700c models to give Montague a bit of healthy competition.

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I am getting my first small whelled folding bike, Dahon Curl i8 in December. I would like to see:

1. Lighter i8
2. More gears i11
3. More basic colors
4. Accessories
5. 20" wheeled i8
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I thought this 'international' Boardwalk i5 (Shimano SG-5R35 IGH) was nifty.

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This and/or a Speed model with wheels and any other necessary enhancements for a 300-pound weight spec.

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This and/or a Speed model with wheels and any other necessary enhancements for a 300-pound weight spec.

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OMG!!! Why didn't I think of that? A "Heavy Rider" folder!!! It would be a "HUUUUUUUUGGGGGEEEE" hit in North America. Most Americans are 200lbs+,...
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OMG!!! Why didn't I think of that? A "Heavy Rider" folder!!! It would be a "HUUUUUUUUGGGGGEEEE" hit in North America. Most Americans are 200lbs+,...
They aren't that weight because they bike everywhere...
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They aren't that weight because they bike everywhere...
You definitely need glasses,... In the USA most people are heavier than average.
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I think Dahon has too many models. They need to find a niche and fill it, like Brompton and Bike Friday and Birdy. Each is unique. A couple entry level bikes, and a couple worth upgrades, and a high-end model. At this point I'd never use a Dahon for travel, there are better options. Waiting to see the Curl in person as an alternative for multi-modal use.
In a perfect world imo- they would have a lightweight (sub 25 pounds) VERY compact folding bike with an easily detachable electric assist option that keeps the bike under 35 lb motorized. I don't want much, lol.

Funny you want Dahon to become like Birdy, Bike Friday and Brompton---Dahon outsells all three of those bikes combined....

Variety is the spice of life

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A bike specifically built for tall guys --6' to 6'6.
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Funny you want Dahon to become like Birdy, Bike Friday and Brompton---Dahon outsells all three of those bikes combined....
Yep. Like I pointed out in another thread, globally Brompton is around 5% the size of Dahon, and BF is like 0.25% Dahon's size. I bet Birdy is somewhere in between those other two, but I don't have any production numbers for them.
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@tcs I bet Birdy is smaller than Bike Friday...
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Funny you want Dahon to become like Birdy, Bike Friday and Brompton---Dahon outsells all three of those bikes combined....

Variety is the spice of life
Naw, I don't want them to be like the other brands in most ways, but...
have you ever been to their website??? Jeebus. Now I wasn't speaking for anyone else, but I find it confusing. So many models, and I can't figure out half the time what differentiates one model from another (they also don't post their geometry for each model for comparison, or at least I can't find it).

Quality and profit and two entirely different things. When I think of Brompton, Birdy, or BF I think of quality. When I think of Dahon, well, they do make a good profit I suppose. But given that, you would think they could innovate more or have brought the Curl to fruition sooner. Don't you ever wonder if they made a few less models and spent more money on r&d what they could come up with??? I've nothing against Dahon or their business model - I just imagine what cool folders could exist if they narrowed their line and worked on innovation instead of dragging the Curl for years and putting it on kickstarter. Just my 2 cents.
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Bene Sugg .. another..

Adjustable length frame for riders different sized , reach as well as leg length

so top tube length can be less/greater, to suit .. telescoping stems to go with telescoping seat posts.
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Bene Sugg .. another..

Adjustable length frame for riders different sized , reach as well as leg length

so top tube length can be less/greater, to suit .. telescoping stems to go with telescoping seat posts.
+1 My "t-rex" arms keep me off Bromptons and many other bikes without major aftermarket modifications.

And I finally realized what I woud like: a 20" that folds up like the Helix, into a very compact square. Not a fan of 16" wheels on my crappy streets. I love my BF for the ride, but it folds like crap.

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Funny you want Dahon to become like Birdy, Bike Friday and Brompton---Dahon outsells all three of those bikes combined....

Variety is the spice of life
Yes that's true but how does it all work out in the figures. Don't Dahon buy in Ford branded bikes from a oem producer and in partnership with max.com bikes in Bulgaria who make many European sold Dahon bikes. Last figure I could find was something like 330,000 bikes sold by Dahon but does that include their rebranded lower end bikes? Also Fuji-ta make about 17 million bikes per year of which a significant percentage are folding bikes maybe 10% and may even be the supplier of the Ford branded Dahon's. Dahon may be the biggest exclusive manufacturer of folding bikes but Fuji-ta probably make millions of folding bikes per year in addition to all the other types of bike they make. Here in the UK when I see a folding bike on the road its very rare if its a Dahon in fact I'm not sure I've ever seen a Dahon being ridden. There are millions of folding bikes sold in China per year perhaps 3-4 million and then there is the rest of the world to add to that. Even if that 330,000 figure is out of date by a few years and they have doubled that figure in 2017 surely still a long way from number one for units sold. I'm just making the point they may be the biggest exclusive folding bike brand but that doesn't make them the biggest seller of folding bikes.
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