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Old 08-08-17, 09:03 AM   #1
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what bike would you like to see from Dahon in 2018

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currently we have way too many models in our lineup. Its almost confusing at times, lol.
Lets hear your valuable comments what bike should Dahon bring to the US.


This might be one which is not in the program right now, or a bike which has been good in the past .... like the Speed P 8 with big apples and no fenders carrier. Or maybe even the Curve ( one or three speed ? derailleur or hub )


what are your favorites ?
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Thor, don't know all the names/models, but what about a lightweight, small fold bike with more than 3 speeds?

I know the Curl is supposed to be small fold answer but it's too heavy.
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Lets hear your valuable comments...
The most valuable comment I can make is import/inventory what sells well, not obscure/quirky models I like!

Dahon offers a small number of bikes that offer something unique in the line-up: The Boardwalk price leader, Ciao low frame, Jet (Jetstream) dual suspension, the Curve modest cost/high quality 16" and Ios with 24" wheels. If they are currently selling in sustainable numbers, keep them.

There are other models/lines that seem to overlap:

Looks like the Clinch/Dash lines compete with each other and could be pruned.
The EEZZ/Jifo/Dove seem to offer much the same attributes and could coalesce around the best value model.
The large collection of 20" side-folding bikes - the Ikon, Mariner, Mu, Speed, SUV, Vigor, Visc, Vitesse and Vybe - could surely be rationalized down to fewer models/designs and still cover the various price points and utility/performance markets.

Is the Qix more expensive to build or is Dahon just positioning it as a premium product? The vertical fold seems to be an appealing future for Dahon 20" single-frame-fold bikes - no lift/quick fold, potentially stronger, not (yet!) widely copied by competitors.

The Curl i3/i8 need a companion flagship i11 model. And front luggage.

If Dahon Corporate wants to explore new territory, I'd suggest buying the design rights for the Caracle.

I've always felt mango was to Dahon as celeste is to Bianchi. I'm sorry Dahon NA has abandoned this color.
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As one who rarely fold my bike...except to put it into the trunk of my car...once a month...
I would like one of those lock jaw technology...so cool! (with entry level price)

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I want a Dahon Clinch that's affordable, or possibly an 8 speed curl (Curl XL?).
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I think Dahon has too many models. They need to find a niche and fill it, like Brompton and Bike Friday and Birdy. Each is unique. A couple entry level bikes, and a couple worth upgrades, and a high-end model. At this point I'd never use a Dahon for travel, there are better options. Waiting to see the Curl in person as an alternative for multi-modal use.
In a perfect world imo- they would have a lightweight (sub 25 pounds) VERY compact folding bike with an easily detachable electric assist option that keeps the bike under 35 lb motorized. I don't want much, lol.
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In a perfect world imo- they would have a lightweight (sub 25 pounds) VERY compact folding bike with an easily detachable electric assist option that keeps the bike under 35 lb motorized. I don't want much, lol.
You forgot 'affordable.'
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You forgot 'affordable.'
Haha....I'm a dreamer, but not insane. Nothing I ever want is affordable
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The Dahon range used to make sense. After the split with Hon junior it's become unfocused and the colour schemes and graphics are generally garish. 10 years ago Dahon used to have a 'pledge' that their bikes would improve by some unquantifiable but nevertheless quantified percentage every year but in the last 6 years or so there's been no development besides the introduction of a useless design in the Eez/Jifo category, and the elusive Curl which potentially is very good. So the Curl is where it's at but it needs a luggage bracket. Aspects of the Curl should make their way on to the full range of bikes, i.e. the new stem/steerer with increased rigidity.

I like the look of the IOS too, there could be more in the 24" range.
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I think Dahon has too many models.
+1. Plus they offer very different bikes, which differ from country to country. Very confusing.

Tern makes more sense in terms of line-up.

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In a perfect world imo- they would have a lightweight (sub 25 pounds) VERY compact folding bike with an easily detachable electric assist option that keeps the bike under 35 lb motorized..
Ignoring e-bikes, if Dahon offered a Nexus 8-powered, Brompton-like alternative below $1,000, it could be a game changer.
After thirty years, there is still no alternative for a folder that's 1) as compact as the Brompton and 2) isn't a joke in terms of ridability.
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Ignoring e-bikes, if Dahon offered a Nexus 8-powered, Brompton-like alternative below $1,000, it could be a game changer.
After thirty years, there is still no alternative for a folder that's 1) as compact as the Brompton and 2) isn't a joke in terms of ridability.
I don't understand why they are finally going to release a Brompton alternative...and it's priced higher than the basic Brompton? The game-changer would have been to provide a robust alternative at a lower price. Or charge the higher price but with a much lighter weight bike. Instead, the Curl weighs about the same and cost a little bit more. The technology for the Curl may come to the fore and really be worth it--but as an initial impression, nothing about it screams it's so much better/better value than the Brompton. It's unfair but I think that is what is needed if they want to muscle into Brompton territory.
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After thirty years, there is still no alternative for a folder that's 1) as compact as the Brompton and 2) isn't a joke in terms of ridability.
Truth. I don't like the way Brompton fits me, believe me I have tried all the stock configurations, but it just isn't made for me to be as comfortable as I want to be on a bike for longish rides....not knocking Brompton here, it's probably just my body, lol. And I'm not going to spend for after martket fixes on something that expensive.
BUT the fold is everything. I recently took a trip to Santa Fe and didn't bring my Bike Friday because I had the dog along and not enough space. A Brommie would have fit nicely. And I think the Pakit is great, but it also could not go along with the dog in the car.

How hard is it to make a square fold???? I'd even be happy with a single speed Dahon with a square fold like Brompton for city cruising on trips. It would be affordable, and Dahon has better fit adjustments.I thought their patent expired.
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it just isn't made for me to be as comfortable as I want to be on a bike for longish rides....not knocking Brompton here, it's probably just my body, lol. And I'm not going to spend for after martket fixes on something that expensive.
Makes sense: The Brompton has always been built and marketed as a city bike, to ride a few miles not more.

Like others here and elsewhere, I happen to use it mostly for touring because 1) I never get stuck when I need to take a train/bus/carshare, 2) its steel frame is more comfy that aluminum, 3) a double chainring offers enough gear inches for touring, and, thus, 4) I have no problem riding 80-100km days with it… but as it was never meant to be used that way and the vast majority of Brompton riders use it to ride a few miles/kms to get to work, it'd be unfair to criticize it because it doesn't measure up to a road/touring bike.

I've had other folders before… but none measures up to the Brompton in terms of convenience + ridability, although it does have its weaknesses.

Will 2017 be the year of the Dahon Curl? Stay tuned for the Eurobike at the end of this month.

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The Brompton isn't a good fit for me, no matter how long the ride. My wrists were in pain just on the test rides. I asked for the brakes to be adjusted and the shop folks were very reluctant to comply--it wasn't the Brompton way. They finally did it and my wrists didn't hurt as much, but the adjustment compromised the compact fold. No way in hell was I going to buy a Brompton and not get the fold--what's the point? So I've resigned myself to being a Brompton reject and look to other folders.
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I think Dahon has too many models. They need to find a niche and fill it, like Brompton and Bike Friday and Birdy.
Not sure if I'm following you here. Dahon is the largest folding bike mfr in the world. I'm not seeing a viable business case to prune their lineup to pursue a 'niche', unless the goal is to transform the company into one 5% of its present size.
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Dahon Curve IGH. 5 speed and maybe 8-9 speed.
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Not sure if I'm following you here. Dahon is the largest folding bike mfr in the world. I'm not seeing a viable business case to prune their lineup to pursue a 'niche', unless the goal is to transform the company into one 5% of its present size.
It wasn't a statement on their business model; it was a statement about just how utterly confusing their line up is. I know if I want a travel bike, certain brands are best. I know if i want a city multi-modal bike what brand is #1. When I think of Dahon, there is no specific need that they fill - in my mind - that is not already filled by other brands, most of which are better (albeit pricier). I'm of the school of thinking that you can't be everything to everybody, so you define where you can be great. Just one person's opinion...
And, of course, if they weren't producing a bazillion models, maybe they could have brought their Brompton look-alike to fruition sooner?
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It would be nice to have a true touring bike from Dahon. I think Tern has been mainly a city bike. Brompton has that urban feel to me. But what does that make Dahon? You get the "here's this model" and "look new paint job". Here's a different look with folding contraption we've been kicking around to see if it sells. The business strategy seems to be 2 dimensional, kicking around ideas that aren't full realized, but from a business stand point it's something we already saw in others brands. Yeas, they have the boardwalk, every changing colour and more streamline aluminum frames, but never looking at the weight issue, being the same as a normal every day bike. Why not deliver a true light weight bike for travel? How about suitcases or at least better folding for shoving it into one? Yes, I can fit my Dahon into my suitcase, but it's a pain to make it fit just right. Dahon can always put a little effort into accessories. Better and more universal cargo rack with planniers for front and back. And not to forget a decent trailer you can shove the bike into as a travel case. Yes, there are those around, but they haven't been able to hone in on those accessories as well as they could. Of all their different models, they don't really have a grasp on form factor for specific cycling needs. So, it feels like Dahon is the everyday type folding bike company without much room for personal tailoring to fit one's needs. If anything, they slap a word like "Endurance" onto bike they built and give it road bike handlebars to make it fit the bill. I would really like to see some more effort in this dynamic they are still using outdated parts in the crank and plastic parts that shouldn't be there with a $500-$1000 bike.
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Finn, so many good points in your post!

Why do I have to go to Tern to buy accessories for my Dahon?

And winner, winner, chicken dinner on a true lightweight travel bike.
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Not that I'm a great biz guy or know a ton about the folding bike world... would be cool to see a 20 curl model to go along with the 16... with the same 3 part fold and rolling capability. Yeah it'll be bigger but not much! And really colors need to be more varied, a primary color collection (red/black/white/blue) and then a crazy collection (pink/orange/green/purple). Obviously with matching accessories too! It'd be nice to have that brompton style bike with 20 wheels!
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Thor, Bene Sugg ... Revive the tour-nado in 26" wheel with the Richey Break Away type coupler.

Though a buddy here is faking it cutting up used frames, adding pinch bolts, 2 grip the seat post

the down tubes fit into each other, larger clamps around the smaller,,

It's not patented, Tom Richey has a Patent on the 'break away ' last time DaHon paid him a use fee.






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Not that I'm a great biz guy or know a ton about the folding bike world... would be cool to see a 20 curl model to go along with the 16... with the same 3 part fold and rolling capability. Yeah it'll be bigger but not much! And really colors need to be more varied, a primary color collection (red/black/white/blue) and then a crazy collection (pink/orange/green/purple). Obviously with matching accessories too! It'd be nice to have that brompton style bike with 20 wheels!
I agree with you on colours but not sure it is economical. Peopel would refuse to buy a bike at full price if it is in a crazy colour if they wanted something neutral. You could buy a bike in a plain colour and dress in crazy colours instead...

I think there has been a lot of ugly bikes these last few years, lots of colours and logos, butt ugly. Much better if you have to walk up to the bike and take a close look to find out what it is.
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When I think of Dahon, there is no specific need that they fill - in my mind - that is not already filled by other brands, most of which are better...
And yet, somehow, they're selling 1,000,000+ folding bikes a year.
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Not that I'm a great biz guy or know a ton about the folding bike world... would be cool to see a 20 curl model to go along with the 16...
That's pretty much what the Burke 20 is.

The Curl (i.e. classic Andrew Ritchie design) folds 'square'. That works okay @ 16". I like the Caracle better @ 20", folding rectangular. Its greatest folded dimension reaches up to the rider (actually, pedestrian!) for folded rolling and manipulation during multi-modal use, and it drops into a commercial 62" airline suitcase without any disassembly or loose parts.
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And yet, somehow, they're selling 1,000,000+ folding bikes a year.
Again, I'm not talking about their business model in general, just how I think of them. I've been considering a 16" in addition to my BF, and I find Dahon's offerings confusing....too many bikes that are not differentiated sufficiently (again, imo). I suspect I am not the only one who feels this way, but obviously they are having success and there is no way to know if they could be more profitable with a streamlined offering or more able to innovate.
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