Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Folding Bikes Discuss the unique features and issues of folding bikes. Also a great place to learn what folding bike will work best for your needs.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-08-17, 04:05 PM   #1
Abu Mahendra
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Bikes: Dahon Dash P18, Dahon Dash Altena, Bannard Sunny.
Posts: 1,181
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 386 Post(s)
Touring Taiwan on a folder...

Thinking of doing a tour of Taiwan in January 2018. Something along the lines of this:
Taiwan by bike: A guide to Cycle Route No. 1 | CNN Travel

Anyone here toured Taiwan or from Taiwan?
Abu Mahendra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-17, 06:56 PM   #2
Abu Mahendra
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Bikes: Dahon Dash P18, Dahon Dash Altena, Bannard Sunny.
Posts: 1,181
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 386 Post(s)
This is what I have in mind - Cycling Around Taiwan
Abu Mahendra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-17, 04:21 PM   #3
bike.gang.uk
Senior Member
 
bike.gang.uk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Bikes: Brompton H3L, RAF, M3L, Dahon, Giant NRS, GT
Posts: 220
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
Thinking of doing a tour of Taiwan in January 2018. Something along the lines of this:
Taiwan by bike: A guide to Cycle Route No. 1 | CNN Travel

Anyone here toured Taiwan or from Taiwan?
Yes, I am from Taiwan.

I guess you will bring your folder? Local train with folding bike is perfect for Taiwan ride. East island is more beautiful than west (most cities and too busy the road full of cars). If you like challenge, ride across central mountains (up to 3275m on roads above cloud).

How long do you plan for this trip?

bike.gang.uk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-17, 10:48 PM   #4
Abu Mahendra
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Bikes: Dahon Dash P18, Dahon Dash Altena, Bannard Sunny.
Posts: 1,181
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 386 Post(s)
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That video shows exactly what I am looking at. It shows a central route through the mountain spine, avoiding the west coast. One can then return to Taipei via the east coast. On the other hand, I can't quite make out a continous path/road through the mountain range in Google Maps, and I see some really, really garbled roads, meaning hairpin bends and tough climbs. Also, January up in the mountains will be really frigid. May avoid the mountains altogether, and stay lowland for this trip.

I want to travel fast and light, and not have to carry food or camping equipment, meaning that I want to retire to a B&B and/or hotspring at the end of the day. I also don't want to ride over 100km every single day. I'd also like to walk around and take some snaps, and sample the local food.

I'd like to talk my Dahon Dash 406er, but the video also shows some off-road patches. A few hundred meters is fine, but I don't want to be on a 406er for long patches of bumpy off-road.

EVA flies direct Bali to Taipei. Five hours and fifteen minutes, and I'm there. Never been to Taiwan, but I've been to HK and Macau.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bike.gang.uk View Post
Yes, I am from Taiwan.

I guess you will bring your folder? Local train with folding bike is perfect for Taiwan ride. East island is more beautiful than west (most cities and too busy the road full of cars). If you like challenge, ride across central mountains (up to 3275m on roads above cloud).

How long do you plan for this trip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO9LPZImCVw&t=88s

Last edited by Abu Mahendra; 09-10-17 at 02:42 AM.
Abu Mahendra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-17, 06:59 PM   #5
bike.gang.uk
Senior Member
 
bike.gang.uk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Bikes: Brompton H3L, RAF, M3L, Dahon, Giant NRS, GT
Posts: 220
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That video shows exactly what I am looking at. It shows a central route through the mountain spine, avoiding the west coast. One can then return to Taipei via the east coast. On the other hand, … …
EVA flies direct Bali to Taipei. Five hours and fifteen minutes, and I'm there. Never been to Taiwan, but I've been to HK and Macau.
This is the map they generated for this trail. they did not do it in one go, but combined sections of various rides.

????????

I wont suggest foreigner to take this one as it is quite deep into mountain villages, you need local knowledge to work out where to stay at night. Not B&B type of ride but rather full gear tent spec touring adventure type. Oh, and on mountain bike.
bike.gang.uk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-17, 09:14 AM   #6
mtb_addict
Senior Member
 
mtb_addict's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Bikes:
Posts: 1,386
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 838 Post(s)
mtb_addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-17, 03:07 PM   #7
Abu Mahendra
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Bikes: Dahon Dash P18, Dahon Dash Altena, Bannard Sunny.
Posts: 1,181
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 386 Post(s)
Well, I am still considering it...

Quote:
Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
Abu Mahendra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-17, 04:10 PM   #8
mtb_addict
Senior Member
 
mtb_addict's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Bikes:
Posts: 1,386
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 838 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
Well, I am still considering it...
Do you speak Chinese? I wonder how difficult it is for English speaker to go about without a translator.
mtb_addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-17, 05:10 PM   #9
Abu Mahendra
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Bikes: Dahon Dash P18, Dahon Dash Altena, Bannard Sunny.
Posts: 1,181
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 386 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
Do you speak Chinese? I wonder how difficult it is for English speaker to go about without a translator.
No, I speak neither Mandarin nor Taiwanese. But that does not deter me.

Other options under consideration are Laos, and the Bangka/Belitung islands in Indonesia.
Abu Mahendra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-17, 08:56 PM   #10
2_i 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Michigan
Bikes: Trek 730, Bike Friday NWT, Brompton M6R*2, Trek 830, Trek 720, Dahon HAT060, Dahon HT060,...
Posts: 1,771
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 101 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
Do you speak Chinese? I wonder how difficult it is for English speaker to go about without a translator.
If you have Google Translator working, these days you talk about the weather or politics in any widely spoken language you want. I walk around a museum or ruins with a phone in my hand and read labels transcribed into broken but good enough English even when it is a museum of Chinese calligraphy. WeChat in Chinese, fish specialty in French - no problem. Life is very different these days than it used to be. Whether there is a cell connection there I don't know but if there were any my roaming T-Mobile would likely pick it up.
2_i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-17, 11:18 PM   #11
bike.gang.uk
Senior Member
 
bike.gang.uk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Bikes: Brompton H3L, RAF, M3L, Dahon, Giant NRS, GT
Posts: 220
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
No, I speak neither Mandarin nor Taiwanese. But that does not deter me.

Other options under consideration are Laos, and the Bangka/Belitung islands in Indonesia.
Taiwanese basically are very friendly to foreigner, although in these areas they probably don't speak much English.

We have an office in Tamsui (suburb Taipei), beautiful sunset there by the river, welcome to use it as your first stop (luggage storage is possible), me (if I am back) or my colleague can show you around, a climb to Yang Ming Mountain national park can also be arranged.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 21752690_1860823597267818_3659584805970335281_o.jpg (94.6 KB, 85 views)
bike.gang.uk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-17, 02:24 AM   #12
Abu Mahendra
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Bikes: Dahon Dash P18, Dahon Dash Altena, Bannard Sunny.
Posts: 1,181
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 386 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bike.gang.uk View Post
Taiwanese basically are very friendly to foreigner, although in these areas they probably don't speak much English.

We have an office in Tamsui (suburb Taipei), beautiful sunset there by the river, welcome to use it as your first stop (luggage storage is possible), me (if I am back) or my colleague can show you around, a climb to Yang Ming Mountain national park can also be arranged.
Thanks for the kind offers. We'll see how things turn out...

On a separate note, would you know how much a PC Reach T20 goes for in Taipei?
Abu Mahendra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-17, 04:39 AM   #13
bike.gang.uk
Senior Member
 
bike.gang.uk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Bikes: Brompton H3L, RAF, M3L, Dahon, Giant NRS, GT
Posts: 220
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
Thanks for the kind offers. We'll see how things turn out...

On a separate note, would you know how much a PC Reach T20 goes for in Taipei?
MSRP NT 6000 ~= USD 2000 , Local pickup.

but if you pay cash and as regular customer status it is possible to get 10% off.
bike.gang.uk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-17, 08:27 AM   #14
tdonline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Bikes:
Posts: 209
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 113 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2_i View Post
If you have Google Translator working, these days you talk about the weather or politics in any widely spoken language you want. I walk around a museum or ruins with a phone in my hand and read labels transcribed into broken but good enough English even when it is a museum of Chinese calligraphy.
What app are you using to translate labels?
tdonline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-17, 08:45 AM   #15
2_i 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Michigan
Bikes: Trek 730, Bike Friday NWT, Brompton M6R*2, Trek 830, Trek 720, Dahon HAT060, Dahon HT060,...
Posts: 1,771
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 101 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdonline View Post
What app are you using to translate labels?

You click on the camera icon in Google Translate and it opens a camera. On the screen a frame appears that you center over the label. In a museum setting you may need to activate the camera lamp to illuminate the label. Same goes for inscriptions on the walls, product labels in stores when you do not know what the heck you are buying etc. I already read passages from a book pointing a smartphone onto it when there was something somebody pointed my attention to. It is clumsy, the info is broken etc. but you are definitely moving forward - in a museum setting you anyway just want some info - not to get flooded with it .

There may be some other apps that work like Google Translate but in the end they usually use either Google or Microsoft translation engine.
2_i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-17, 08:52 AM   #16
mtb_addict
Senior Member
 
mtb_addict's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Bikes:
Posts: 1,386
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 838 Post(s)
I used the Pleco Chinese Dictionary, while in Hong Kong.
It allows you to write the words out with your finger tip...which I prefer over taking pictures.
I imagine in some places a foreigner taking pictures will make the locals uncomfortable.


mtb_addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-17, 11:17 AM   #17
tdonline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Bikes:
Posts: 209
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 113 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2_i View Post
You click on the camera icon in Google Translate and it opens a camera. On the screen a frame appears that you center over the label. In a museum setting you may need to activate the camera lamp to illuminate the label. Same goes for inscriptions on the walls, product labels in stores when you do not know what the heck you are buying etc. I already read passages from a book pointing a smartphone onto it when there was something somebody pointed my attention to. It is clumsy, the info is broken etc. but you are definitely moving forward - in a museum setting you anyway just want some info - not to get flooded with it .

There may be some other apps that work like Google Translate but in the end they usually use either Google or Microsoft translation engine.
I remember when this feature first came out and was intrigued by it. And promptly forgot about it. Awesome, sometimes my mom asks me to translate stuff for her and it's such a hassle to have to type it out.
tdonline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-17, 11:31 AM   #18
2_i 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Michigan
Bikes: Trek 730, Bike Friday NWT, Brompton M6R*2, Trek 830, Trek 720, Dahon HAT060, Dahon HT060,...
Posts: 1,771
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 101 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdonline View Post
I remember when this feature first came out and was intrigued by it. And promptly forgot about it.
It could be because at first apparently it was not that good. Supposedly some revolution happened in that they upgraded immensely their translation capabilities by employing some neural network software separately for each language. Right now the context matters a lot. I.e. the more you can pack into the translation frame or its vicinity, the better. Also when you use the microphone/speaker combination in the app lets you carry a regular conversation. Provided I have a good connection I feel that I am not hampered anymore by not knowing the particular language. When I used help of a local person, that local was usually not knowledgeable in a particular subject. Having the combination of the app and my particular expertise, I often feel that I am ahead of relying just on the help of a local.
2_i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-17, 01:47 PM   #19
mtb_addict
Senior Member
 
mtb_addict's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Bikes:
Posts: 1,386
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 838 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bike.gang.uk View Post
Yes, I am from Taiwan.
How much would you expect a trip like that to cost...if you stay in cheap hotel all the way and eat cheap street food?
mtb_addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-17, 05:17 PM   #20
Abu Mahendra
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Bikes: Dahon Dash P18, Dahon Dash Altena, Bannard Sunny.
Posts: 1,181
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 386 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
How much would you expect a trip like that to cost...if you stay in cheap hotel all the way and eat cheap street food?
A developed economy and densely populated, Taiwan is not cheap. Certainly more expensive than SEAsia, save for Singapore where lodging is not cheap, but street food is. I reckon a good $50-75/day, if you--like I--want to avoid dorm accomodation, and want to soak in hotsprings. When touring my appetite soars, so I eat more.
Abu Mahendra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-17, 12:59 PM   #21
bike.gang.uk
Senior Member
 
bike.gang.uk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Bikes: Brompton H3L, RAF, M3L, Dahon, Giant NRS, GT
Posts: 220
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
How much would you expect a trip like that to cost...if you stay in cheap hotel all the way and eat cheap street food?
NT 1000 for lodging +NT 500 for food /day ($50) should be about it for local cyclist touring Taiwan. There are quite a few B&B along the way. Bed and shower that is, nothing fancy (National Cycle route #1, not in the mountain villages. ).
Like this

Last edited by bike.gang.uk; 09-16-17 at 01:02 PM.
bike.gang.uk is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:14 AM.


 
  • Ask a Question
    get answers from real people!
Click to start entering your question.
I HAVE A QUESTION