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Old 09-07-05, 10:49 AM   #1
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Folding pedals

Do most folders come with folding pedals? My KHS Cappuccino didn't.

For a while I carried a big cumbersome pedal wrench with my folding bike bag. Then I ordered a pair of Montague folding pedals online from a Chevy/Hummer dealer. It seemed strange that they would be sold as a car part by a car dealer, but there you have it. They fit my KHS with no problem. (Except that now I'm on some Hummer marketing lists, which is a real hoot...I thought Internet marketing was supposed to be all about targeting your prospects better?)

Are there any negatives to folding pedals?
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Old 09-07-05, 03:33 PM   #2
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Are there any negatives to folding pedals?
For starters, they're not clipless....

I picked up a low-end Dahon which came w/folding pedals. They seem fine, although my little Shimano SPD pedals are pretty much the same size as the folded pedals. It's hard to accidentally fold them in mid-ride, so I'm sure they're fine.
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Hey Platy! I have a KHS too and it came with non-folding pedals. They don't stick out much... did you find the folding pedals made the bike a lot thinner when folded?

Here's a link to a review I did on the bike with a photo of the pedals: http://www.foldsoc.co.uk/canada.html

Did yours come with the same ones?

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Hey Platy! I have a KHS too and it came with non-folding pedals. They don't stick out much... did you find the folding pedals made the bike a lot thinner when folded?

Here's a link to a review I did on the bike with a photo of the pedals: http://www.halffg.pwp.blueyonder.co....oc/canada.html

Did yours come with the same ones?
Yep, those are the same pedals that came with my KHS Cappuccino. The problem is not so much that the nonfolding pedals make the bike wider when it's folded. It's just that they stick out and try to poke through the KHS bike bag, or catch your leg when you're carrying it. That annoyed me beyond belief when I took it with me on Greyhound.

The KHS bike bag seems to have two little pockets inside for the pedals so I assume they intend you to remove them. That requires you to carry a big tool like a pedal wrench. Disassembly of that type sort of goes against the basic idea of folding bikes.
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...The KHS bike bag seems to have two little pockets inside for the pedals so I assume they intend you to remove them. That requires you to carry a big tool like a pedal wrench. Disassembly of that type sort of goes against the basic idea of folding bikes.
You can get quick-release pedals. I have two sets of MKS RR-2's:
http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/pedals.html
The good thing about these pedals is that they can take clips or PowerGrips.
I also have a pair of the the FD-2's (which only fold) but they are HEAVY. I don't use them anymore.

Here are a set of MKS quick-release platform pedals:
http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/par...al/pedals.html
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Yep, those are the same pedals that came with my KHS Cappuccino. The problem is not so much that the nonfolding pedals make the bike wider when it's folded. It's just that they stick out and try to poke through the KHS bike bag, or catch your leg when you're carrying it. That annoyed me beyond belief when I took it with me on Greyhound.

The KHS bike bag seems to have two little pockets inside for the pedals so I assume they intend you to remove them. That requires you to carry a big tool like a pedal wrench. Disassembly of that type sort of goes against the basic idea of folding bikes.
Gotcha. And yes, I agree - the idea of needing tools to make a folder compact isn't a great one!
I didn't get a bag with my folder unfortunately... I've been looking at several options like the Downtube bag and one branded for the "Jeep" and "Chrysler" folding bikes. (all the bags look pretty much the same - assuming the right wheel size)

You may have read already, the Cappuccino rides like/better-than a Brompton. Love to compare the two side by side - especially since it's priced a heck of a lot better than a Brommy!
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Hey Platy! I have a KHS too and it came with non-folding pedals. They don't stick out much... did you find the folding pedals made the bike a lot thinner when folded?

Here's a link to a review I did on the bike with a photo of the pedals: http://www.halffg.pwp.blueyonder.co....oc/canada.html

Did yours come with the same ones?

Hi Chris!

Just read your review of the KHS Westwood... Well done! I enjoyed reading it.. It looks like a very comfortable folder.. I worked out your gearing....yikes!! what a stump puller at 20 to 78 gear inches.. should really be able to load that baby up and tour!

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Hi Chris!

Just read your review of the KHS Westwood... Well done! I enjoyed reading it.. It looks like a very comfortable folder.. I worked out your gearing....yikes!! what a stump puller at 20 to 78 gear inches.. should really be able to load that baby up and tour!

Bruce

*laugh* Thanks for the kind words! Gotta post an update to that... I've made a bunch of mods.
Check out more recent photos here: http://www.ncf.ca/~af895/bike/KHS.html

You'll get a kick out of this: I spent today running around, collecting used parts from friends, for a drivetrain upgrade. I now have a 52/40 front crankset and 11-34 megarange cassette.

I just have to find a scrap megarange derailleur and a chain and I'm off to the races with 94 gear inches!

I'd eventually like to find a 60+tooth front ring but this should tie me over until next year.
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Just picked up a KHS Westwood identical to yours except in gray. I've had a look at your recent mods and just wanted to ask about the stem extension. Does it give you a full 3.5 inches of extra height, and is that the longest stem extension available? Also, I'm curious about your new handlebars. Do these add any extra height too, or are they jsut for comfort?

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Just picked up a KHS Westwood identical to yours except in gray. I've had a look at your recent mods and just wanted to ask about the stem extension. Does it give you a full 3.5 inches of extra height, and is that the longest stem extension available? Also, I'm curious about your new handlebars. Do these add any extra height too, or are they jsut for comfort?
Hey Shilun!

The attached pic is of the most recent iteration of the bike.

The extension is more like 3 to 3-1/4 inches of extension, assuming you've already got the stem on top of the spacers. I can't comment on availability of other heights; this was the highest I found locally.

The gull-wing bars offer about 3 inches of "sweep back" putting the grips closer to your body. They also offer more grip positions than the stock, flat-bar.

I have them in the "dropped" configuration so they actually lower the grips by ~2 inches. The opposite applies - if they were installed the other way up, they'd add ~2 inches of rise. I find having them dropped isn't uncomfortable because they're so much closer to the seat.

Love to see pics of your bike if you'd care to post them and a review to compare the KHS with the Giant would be great too. (I bet "The Folding Society" would publish it)
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Thanks for the attached pic. What length is the seatpost? I assume the diameter is 29.2 like the original? Also, I can't quite make out how your rear rack is attached.

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Thanks for the attached pic. What length is the seatpost? I assume the diameter is 29.2 like the original? Also, I can't quite make out how your rear rack is attached.

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Hey Shilun.

That's the original seat post - 29.2mm dia and about 400mm long (including the head; 375mm from end of pipe to end of pipe)

The rear rack attaches at the eyelets by the rear axle with machine screws. It's supported at the front by a stainless-steel bracket that attaches to the eyelet on the top of the rear-shock absorber. The rack came with several of these brackets - I just picked one that matched the geometry and re-bent it to accomodate the slightly different geometry of the folder. (smaller wheels put the rack farther from the shock-eyelet)

Hope this helps!
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That was quick! The kettle hadn't even boiled!

Is the original extension adequate for you? I find that with the seatpost on the limit it's still too short (I'm about 6ft). Anyway, I swapped over the seatpost from my Halfway RS. It's 640mm end to end. It has a diameter of 28.6, but if I tighten down the QR it seems to hold. However, never having had to worry about seatposts before, I'm not sure if it's wise to continue riding it in this way.

Also, while we're on the subject of seatpost replacements, do you happen to know if any of the Dahon components would fit the KHS? I can't seem to find any detailed specs on their website - just pictures.

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That was quick! The kettle hadn't even boiled!

Is the original extension adequate for you? I find that with the seatpost on the limit it's still too short (I'm about 6ft). Anyway, I swapped over the seatpost from my Halfway RS. It's 640mm end to end. It has a diameter of 28.6, but if I tighten down the QR it seems to hold. However, never having had to worry about seatposts before, I'm not sure if it's wise to continue riding it in this way.

Also, while we're on the subject of seatpost replacements, do you happen to know if any of the Dahon components would fit the KHS? I can't seem to find any detailed specs on their website - just pictures.

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Heheheheeh. Ah, the joys (curse?) of "always on" internet connections.

Wow. Your RS had a *640mm* post?! CRAZY! I would STRONGLY suggest you get a shim. Not as much of a problem with a steel frame like the Westwood but you want the torque force from the seat tube distributed over as large an area as possible. If there's any kind of gap, you get pressure points that I suspect could lead to excess fatigue. You might not exceed the fatigue limit of the steel but I'd put money on aluminum dying a quick and painful death. (I've seen it on aluminum road bikes - non folders)

There are shims to go from just about every size post to every other size seat tube. 28.6 to 29.2 is a pretty small gap - 0.3mm per side - so it'd probably be a rolled steel shim instead of the machined aluminum used for thick shims.

I would definitely like to get my hands on a taller post just to try out. I *think* I'm right where I need to be but I'd rather have more post than less and I have the "max extension" marks just below the top of the seat-tube.

I'm perusing the Dahon accessories myself! Being the largest folder mfg in the world, they keep a HUGE stock of parts and accessories. That makes it very easy to get stuff from them where things from, say KHS - practically impossible. They don't get super specific on some things like the diameter of their "super-sized" seat post (!) but I hear they're great at customer service. A few carefully worded emails should get you a response. Their forums are fantastic too. Their staff actually participate there so you can answers from the source.

I'm really loving the KHS! I pumped the Marathon tires (20x1.50's) to 100psi yesterday, up from 90. WHAT a ride! A bit more squirrely but the bike feels so fast. When I have a few $$$ to kick around, I might try a set of Primo Comet 20x1.35's... I hear they're the lowest RR of all tires in this class. (total slick)

When you get 'em, I look forward to pics of your KHS! With their relative obscurity in North America, I feel like I'm part of a cult! Did I ask you already where you found yours and where you're located?
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folding bikes are useless
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I'm going to say this once folks: DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
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